He agreed with his wife about the twins' not playing with other children.

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Hello, everyone.
Can I use a possessive with a negative gerund? Are these sentences correct?

He agreed with his wife about the twins' not playing with other children.
He agreed about the twins' not playing with other children.

Thank you!
 
Hello, everyone.
Can I use a possessive with a negative gerund? Are these sentences correct?

He agreed with his wife about the twins' not playing with other children.

He agreed about the twins' not playing with other children.

[...........................]

I wouldn't use the possessive in either of them.

What's a negative gerund?
 
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Sorry. I meant a possessive followed by a gerund. And thank you for answering so fast!
I still have problems distinguishing a possessive gerund with a participle in certain sentences.
For instance, do you say:

I found the front door opened with an uproar’s welcoming me.
or
I found the front door opened with an uproar welcoming me.
 
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I changed my answer. There is in my humble opinion no need for the use of an apostrophe there. Perhaps: He agreed about the twins not playing with other children. Of course, I wouldn't say that. I would say he agreed that the twins shouldn't play with other children.
 
Your rephrasing is better, but I'm just trying to understand the difference between gerunds and participles.
 
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He agreed with his wife about the twins' not playing with other children.

He agreed about the twins' not playing with other children.
The apostrophe is incorrect in modern English in both sentences. The presence or absence of 'not' does not change this.
 
I found the front door opened with an uproar’s welcoming me.

or

I found the front door opened with an uproar welcoming me.

Only the second is correct.
 
I'm just trying to understand the difference between gerunds and participles.
Warning

This post is not helpful for people wishing to communicate in English. It is intended for the minority of members/(weirdoes ;) ) who may be interested in -ing forms. It is a summary of how some leading grammarians of the last forty years deal with them,

Aarts, Bas (2011), Oxford Modern English Grammar, does not differentiate between gerunds and participles. He refers to both as -ing participles.

Carter, Ronald and Michael McCarthy (2006) Cambridge Grammar of English, do not differentiate between gerunds and participles. They refer to both as -ing forms.

Chalker, Sylvia (1984), Current English Grammar, does not differentiate between gerunds and participles in the body of the book. She refers to both as -ing forms. She writes: A distinction is often made between gerunds ('verbal nouns') and participles, which are more like verbs or adjectives. In fact the -ing form cannot be quite so neatly divided.

Huddleston, Rodney and Geoffrey Pullum (2002), The Cambridge Grammar of the English language, write: [...] we reject an analysis that has gerund and participle as different forms syncretised throughout the class of verb We have therefore just one inflectional form of the verb marked by the -ing suffix; we label it with the compound term 'gerund-participle' .

Quirk, Randolph et al (1985), A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language, note a complex gradience of fourteen different uses of -ing- forms from nouns (deverbal count nouns , abstract-non count verbal nouns), through the traditionally named gerund to the traditionally-named (present) participle. They write of the forms that are not clearly nouns, [...] we do not find it useful to distinguish a gerund from a participle, but terminologically class all these forms as PARTICIPLES.
 
You are welcome.

ps. in case you are interested, I use the -ing form.
 
Sorry, I didn't understand. When you say the -ing form, do you mean participle or gerund? I guess from your previous post you mean participle.
 
No. Like Chalker and Carter and McCarthy and I use the -ing form for both 'gerund' and 'participle'.

Like all the grammarians I mentioned, I do not distinguish between the two forms.
 
Thank you for clarifying!
 
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Your rephrasing is better, but I'm just trying to understand the difference between gerunds and participles.
They are not close to being the same thing.

Would additional grammar knowledge help you understand the language better?
 
@Tarheel Yes, of course.
Can you explain to me the difference between “he agreed about the twins not playing with other children” and “he agreed that the twins shouldn't play with other children.”
Thank you!
 
@ Tarheel. Yes, of course.
Can you explain to me the difference between “he agreed about the twins not playing with other children” and “he agreed that the twins shouldn't play with other children.”
[............]
I don't see any difference.

When you put a sentence in quotes you capitalize it the way you always do.
 
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Thank you for correcting me. But what do you mean: Would additional grammar knowledge help you understand the language better if it means the same thing?
 
Maybe I shouldn't have used "understand" there. Maybe what I should have said is "Will studying grammar help you with using the language?"

A typical native speaker doesn't know what a gerund is.
 
Yes, I want to learn the rules for writing correctly, maybe one day I’ll write a book. 😉
 
Yes, I want to learn the rules for writing correctly, maybe one day I’ll write a book. 😉
OK. Well, you have a comma splice there.

Currently I am reading "To Kill A Mockingbird", "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat", "For Whom the Bell Tolls" and couple of other things.

You should read a few things before you write your own book. Get a handle on how native use the language. (I'm reading "To Kill A Mockingbird" for the second time. I'm more than halfway through "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat".)
 
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