just the same v. just as the same

[hhtt21]

I would like to ask which one means "exactly the": "just the same" or "just as the same". For example, using them in sentences:

1. If the sentences are "just the same in meaning", hence they are identical in meaning.
2. If the sentences are "just as the same in meaning", hence they are identical in meaning.

I hope I have explained it properly.

P.S: In spite of the fact that "just as the same" seems to me nice and correct, after a search I saw that native speakers do not use it.

Thank you.

 

[Matthew Wai]

This non-native would not use it either because it seems strange and incorrect.

 

[teechar]

I would like to ask which one means "exactly the same"

Is that what you meant?

 

[Matthew Wai]

I would omit 'hence' from the conditional sentences.

 

[hhtt21]

I would like to ask which one means "exactly the

Is that what you meant?

Yes, but I am looking for an identical expression, in which "just" or both "just" and "as" are used.

 

[emsr2d2]

You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.
You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, exactly the same as I did.

They mean the same.

 

[hhtt21]

You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.
You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, exactly the same as I did.

They mean the same.

Then it seems that we cannot combine "just as" and "the same".

Thank you.

 

[emsr2d2]

That's what you were told in post #2. "just as the same" does not work in the context you're using.

 

[hhtt21]

That's what you were told in post #2. "just as the same" does not work in the context you're using.

Then, this means there can be contexts in which "just as the same" can be correct. So what can it be?

Thank you.

 

[GoesStation]

Then, this means there can be contexts in which "just as the same" can be correct. So what can it be?

I walked into the bar just as the same three ominous characters I'd seen earlier got up to leave.

 

[hhtt21]

You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.
You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, exactly the same as I did.

They mean the same.

Would you please explain the reason, why the use of "just as the same" would be incorrect in "You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as the same I did."?

Thank you.

 

[Matthew Wai]

Because 'the same' is not needed there, just as 'the same' is not needed in 'Do as I said'.

 

[teechar]

Would you please explain the reason, why the use of "just as the same" would be incorrect in "You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as the same I did."?

Posts #8 and #10 very clearly explained all that. You can go on another merry-go-round; just don't take us with you!

Thread closed.

 

[teechar]

At the request of the OP, I'm reopening the thread to clarify that the structure used in post #8 is different from (and unrelated to) that in post #6.

You climbed the hill in 23 minutes, just as I did.

I walked into the bar [just as] the same three ominous characters I'd seen earlier got up to leave.

GoesStation was just showing you that the collocation "just as the same" is possible in English. In that sentence, "just as" means "at the same time as." The word "same" is used for emphasis here; it can be left out. Take a look at meaning #1.2 of "same" in the link below.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/same


Here is another possibility for that collocation:
Just as [the same ingredients] are always used when making this type of pizza, the oven temperature must also be set to exactly 200 degrees.

You can see from the above, that the structure matches with the example given earlier by emsr2d2. However, the word "same" is not part of that structure. I could have used, e.g., "Italian anchovies" instead!

Does that help?