measured a serve by Australian player Samuel Groth

[neb090]

Tennis is even faster. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by Australian player Samuel Groth at 163 mph.

Source: San Jose Mecury News, by Lisa M.Drieger, 2013.

In this sentence, could I say ".....serve by an Australian player Samuel Groth at 163 mph." or ".....serve by the Australian player Samuel Groth at 163 mph?"

And is "who is named" omitted before Samuel Groth? Could I leave named?

 

[emsr2d2]

If you use "an", you need to put commas around "Samuel Groth" to show that it is additional information (over and above the fact that it was simply by an Australian player).

Nothing has been omitted in the original. If you added "who is named" or "named" after "by Australian player", the sentence would be grammatically incorrect.

Please note that I have moved the source information to directly under the quote. This is where it should always appear.

 

[neb090]

If you use "an", you need to put commas around "Samuel Groth" to show that it is additional information (over and above the fact that it was simply by an Australian player).

Nothing has been omitted in the original. If you added "who is named" or "named" after "by Australian player", the sentence would be grammatically incorrect.

Please note that I have moved the source information to directly under the quote. This is where it should always appear.

Do you mean "...... a serve by Australian player who is named Samuel Groth at 163 mph." is wrong?

And could I say "a serve by the Australian player Samuel Groth at 163 mph?"

 

[emsr2d2]

Do you mean "... a serve by Australian player who is named Samuel Groth at 163 mph no full stop here" is wrong?

Yes, it's wrong. It would only work with "an Australian player who is called". Note that "is called" is more natural, in this context, than "is named".
An ellipsis (the dots at the start) consists of just three dots, not five.
Don't include the full stop at the end of a quoted sentence if the sentence outside the quotation marks continues after the quote.

And could I say "a serve by the Australian player Samuel Groth at 163 mph"?

You could.
You put the question mark in the wrong place. It isn't part of the quote so it should go after the quotation marks. It's a continuation of the question "Could I say ...?"

 

[neb090]

Yes, it's wrong. It would only work with "an Australian player who is called". Note that "is called" is more natural, in this context, than "is named".
An ellipsis (the dots at the start) consists of just three dots, not five.
Don't include the full stop at the end of a quoted sentence if the sentence outside the quotation marks continues after the quote.

You could.
You put the question mark in the wrong place. It isn't part of the quote so it should go after the quotation marks. It's a continuation of the question "Could I say ...?"

1. Whether I use an or the, I need to use double quotation marks on the name.
2. If I use quotation marks on the name, I could still use “called”.

Am I correct?

 

[emsr2d2]

1. Whether I use "an" or "the", I need to use double quotation marks on around the name.
2. If I use quotation marks on around the name, I could still use “called”.

Am I correct?

Why would you use quotation marks around the person's name? We don't do that, unless we're making it clear that it's something like a nickname.

 

[neb090]

Why would you use quotation marks around the person's name? We don't do that, unless we're making it clear that it's something like a nickname.

Sorry. I listed all the conditions of this sentence that I think is correct:

1. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
2. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
3. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
4. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
5. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)
6. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)

Are they all correct?

 

[Tarheel]

Sorry. I listed all the conditions of this sentence that I think ARE correct:

1. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
2. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
3. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
4. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
5. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)
6. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)

Are they all correct?

They look good to me.

 

[Tarheel]

@neb090 I didn't mean that I would use any of them. You asked about the grammar.

 

[emsr2d2]

@neb090 I still have no idea why you're putting quotation marks around the player's name. I already told you not to do that.

 

[jutfrank]

1. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
2. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
3. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
4. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called "Samuel Groth" at 163 mph.
5. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by an Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)
6. Last May, courtside radar guns measured a serve by the Australian player called Samuel Groth at 163 mph. (without commas)

Are they all correct?

What's the point of all this? The original sentence, with no article, is the one you should focus on.

 

[neb090]

@neb090 I still have no idea why you're putting quotation marks around the player's name. I already told you not to do that.

Sorry. emsr2dd,

Did I misunderstand what you said in #2? You said "If you use "an", you need to put commas around "Samuel Groth" to show that it is additional information (over and above the fact that it was simply by an Australian player).

That's why I think I should use quotation marks on the name.

 

[emsr2d2]

Sorry. emsr2dd,

Did I misunderstand what you said in #2? You said "If you use "an", you need to put commas around "Samuel Groth" to show that it is additional information (over and above the fact that it was simply by an Australian player).

That's why I think I should use quotation marks on the name.

Don't you know the difference between commas and quotation marks?

 

[neb090]

Don't you know the difference between commas and quotation marks?

OK. So my questions 1~6 in #7 should omit quotation marks " " around the player's name.

Is that right?

 

[emsr2d2]

OK. So my questions 1~6 in #7 should omit quotation marks " " around the player's name.

Is that right?

Read post #6 again.