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[gurpreetgill4u]

I would really appreciate it If someone could examine the below sentence.

We normally say,He need not have the table reserved.But,Can we say,he need not had the table reserved?

If we can,then how natural is it?

Thanks,

 

[Rover_KE]

I would really appreciate it if someone could examine the following sentence.

We normally say,[space]'He need not have the table reserved.'[space]But can we say,[space]'He need not had the table reserved'?

If we can,[space]then how natural is it?

Leave a space after a comma or a full stop.

Neither of those sentences is natural. The second is ungrammatical.

'He need not have reserved a table.'

'He didn't need to have reserved a table.'

'He didn't need to reserve a table.'

 

[emsr2d2]

I would really appreciate it ​if someone could examine the [STRIKE]below[/STRIKE] sentence below.

We normally say "He need not have the table reserved" but (no comma here) can we say "He need not had the table reserved"?

If we can, (space needed here) then how natural is it?

Thanks.

Note my corrections above. You need to put those suggested sentences inside quotes, not between commas.

Why do you think "we" normally say "He need not have the table reserved"? What do you think it means?

(Cross-posted with Rover)

 

[Tdol]

But,Can we say,he need not had the table reserved?

I can't think of any circumstances where this would be anything other than an error.

 

[Rover_KE]

It would be grammatical (but not natural) to say

'He need not have had the table reserved'.

 

[gurpreetgill4u]

I am still confused because I wrote what I saw in Cambridge English grammar in use intermediate level and the same was in advanced edition.

 

[Matthew Wai]

I think your grammar book says '... needn't have reserved a table' instead of '... need not have the table reserved', which was used in your post#1, but I am not a teacher.

 

[Rover_KE]

You wrote

"We normally say,He need not have the table reserved."

What part of the Cambridge text makes you think that we normally say that?

 

[gurpreetgill4u]

what is the difference between what I wrote and what the picture says?
Does changing "have done something" to "have something done" changes the meaning to this extent?

Is this the syntax I have to follow "need not have done something"?

 

[Matthew Wai]

I have to follow "need not have done something"?

Yes. I think you should use it instead of 'need not have something done', but I am not a teacher.

 

[Tdol]

He need not have reserved the table. = He reserved the table, but it wasn't necessary- presumably the restaurant wasn't very full.
He need not have the table reserved. = It is not necessary for him to get someone to reserve a table on his behalf. However, this is not a natural way of saying this.

 

[Matthew Wai]

Does changing "have done something" to "have something done" changes the meaning to this extent?

I think one of the differences is that 'something' has already been done in the former while 'something' has not yet been done in the latter, but I am not a teacher.

 

[bhaisahab]

"I have done my homework" = I did it myself.
"I have had my homework done" = I arranged for someone to do it for me.