[Grammar] New York's weather or New York weather

[Bokkie]

My question is simple: new york's weather or New York weather? Are they both correct? Why?

 

[Tdol]

It could depend on the context- what's the complete sentence?

 

[Rover_KE]

And don't forget to capitalise New York every time.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

They're both fine. In some cases either will do:

- New York weather is grand.
- New York's weather is grand.

In some cases, you need the apostrophe:

- New York's weather is better than Toronto's.

In other cases, it's better not to:

- A New York pigeon is used to New York weather.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

And don't forget to capitalise New York every time.

And in New York, they say "Don't forget to capitalize."

 

[Rover_KE]

But when they say it, you can't tell there's a z in it.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

But when they say it, you can't tell there's a z in it.

I thought that when the British say it, you can't tell that there's an S!

 

[probus]

I don't think it depends on the context. In AmE New York weather is now the more common by far, but to me both are correct in any context.

 

[Tdol]

I thought that when the British say it, you can't tell that there's an S!

If you were right about this, then the British would be wrong, and, as we all know, that never happens.:up:

 

[TheParser]

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


Hello, Bokkie:

Thanks for the thought-provoking question that prevented me from getting much sleep last night.

1. To me, there seems to be a definite difference between "a" and "b." But I am unable to articulate (explain) that difference.

a. "The coastal mountain ranges partly control California's weather." -- ENCYCLOPEDIA OF CALIFORNIA (1999).
b. "The television spots [commercials] emphasize the paradise-like qualities of California weather immortalized by the Beach Boys." -- CRITICAL PEDAGOGIES (2009)

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2. I found three quotations that may interest you.

c. "The show closed early because Jolson didn't like New York's weather anymore and wanted to return to Los Angeles." -- NO LEGS, NO JOKES (2008).
d. "I left Southern California without giving any thought to what New York weather might be like." -- TELL ME NO (2010).
e. "Hating the New York weather, Grove decided to move to California." -- ICONS OF BUSINESS (2007).


(All of these books were accessed through the "books" section of Google, where thousands of books have been digitalized for our use. It's a good way to see how professional writers use the language. Simply type in "New York's weather" (use the quotation marks!), and you'll be given many example sentences. Then do the same for "New York weather.")