[Grammar] that ommission

[hooshdar3]

Hi.
"She always thank me for the money that I give her."
(from practical english usage)

Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that that could be omitted(he put that in paranthesis in the prev example).Isn't that ommittable here?why?

 

[Rover_KE]

Hi.
"She always thanks me for the money that I give her."
(from Practical English Usage)

Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that 'that' could be omitted (he put 'that' in parenthesis in the above example). Isn't 'that' omittable here?

Please transcribe quotes accurately. If Swan put 'that' in brackets it means it is optional.
Therefore it can be omitted.

(The word 'omitable' [however you want to spell it] is non-standard.)



Rover

 

[hooshdar3]

Please transcribe quotes accurately. If Swan put 'that' in brackets it means it is optional.
Therefore it can be omitted.

(The word 'omitable' [however you want to spell it] is non-standard.)



Rover

What should I've said in stead of omitable?
he did not put that that in brackets.

 

[Rover_KE]

You could say 'Can 'that' be omitted?'

 

[Raymott]

Hi.
"She always thank me for the money that I give her."
(from "Practical English Usage")

Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that that could be omitted(he put that in paranthesis in the prev example).Isn't that ommittable here?why?

If you're going to quote a reference, please give the page number. A lot of us have this book so, this way, we could check whether you've misunderstood something.

 

[emsr2d2]

Besides the "that" question, it should read "She always thanks me ..."

 

[hooshdar3]

If you're going to quote a reference, please give the page number. A lot of us have this book so, this way, we could check whether you've misunderstood something.

2005 ed, 511.2(page 500)

 

[Raymott]

2005 ed, 511.2(page 500)

Thanks, Yes, you're right. It appears to be a small inconsistency. To me, "that" can be omitted from both sentences.

 

[BobK]

Thanks, Yes, you're right. It appears to be a small inconsistency. To me, "that" can be omitted from both sentences.

There's your answer, hooshdar3. You could also ask 'can I/you/we/one omit it?' (or the less formal 'Can I leave it out' - you'll find that phrasal verbs are usually preferred to latinate synonyms in informal situations). Alternatively, you can say 'Is it required/essential/necessary/needed...? or 'Do we have to use it?' - neither is the same question, but they lead to the same conclusion], or the rather formal 'Is it dispensable?' [which has the drawback that you may have to look it up - as I did - to check on whether it's -ible or -able ;-))

b

 

[hooshdar3]

There's your answer, hooshdar3. You could also ask 'can I/you/we/one omit it?' (or the less formal 'Can I leave it out' - you'll find that phrasal verbs are usually preferred to latinate synonyms in informal situations). Alternatively, you can say 'Is it required/essential/necessary/needed...? or 'Do we have to use it?' - neither is the same question, but they lead to the same conclusion], or the rather formal 'Is it dispensable?' [which has the drawback that you may have to look it up - as I did - to check on whether it's -ible or -able ;-))

b

Thank you.
Can that be omitted after all verbs?Say an example would be:

For a more realistic example, suppose the key can take any value in the range 0 to 65,535

Hashing Tutorial: Section 1 - Introduction

Here it was suppose (that) I believe, But after what verbs can/cannot 'that' be omitted?

 

[BobK]

I know of no such list. Anyone...:-?

My personal view is that as the subordinating conjunction is usually pronounced with a schwa, when the subordinate clause starts with a demonstrative 'that' (pronoun or adjective) it's a good idea to repeat the written 'that' (so that the reader knows it means /ðǝt ðæt/). WinWord doesn't agree, and always accuse me of accidental reduplication.

b

 

[ratóncolorao]

Hi.
"She always thank me for the money that I give her."
(from practical english usage)

Here Swan didn't by any means indicate that that could be omitted(he put that in paranthesis in the prev example).Isn't that ommittable here?why?

Neither a teacher nor a native English speaker.

In this example you may omit "that" because it functions as a direct object.

As for example: This is the boy (that) I saw yesterday.