[Grammar] the more

[Yovo]

Which of these sentence is correct?

Basically, the more we are the easier it is for me to organize the session.
Basically, the more we are the easier it will be for me to organize the session.

 

[emsr2d2]

No. "The more we are" doesn't make any sense.

The more I eat, the fatter I get.
The more you talk, the more I want to scream.
The more you study, the easier it will be for you to pass the exam.

Did you mean "The more people there are, the easier it is/will be for me to organise the session"?

 

[José Manuel Rosón Bravo]

No. "The more we are" doesn't make any sense. ....Did you mean "The more people there are, the easier it is/will be for me to organise the session"?

Hi.

In such case, is it incorrect to use the pronoun to refer to the whole of people involved in the situation or action when the speaking subject takes part in it?

The more people we are... (¿?)

 

[emsr2d2]

"The more people we are" or "The more participants we are" work if the speaker is including himself/herself in the "we". They're both better than "The more we are", in my opinion.

 

[José Manuel Rosón Bravo]

"The more people we are" or "The more participants we are" work if the speaker is including himself/herself in the "we". They're both better than "The more we are", in my opinion.

With the pronoun "we", the speaker is obviously in the formula.

And there is a clear difference between making no sense and not being the best option.

Is it correct or not?

 

[tedmc]

The more we are, the easier it is .... - We are more, so it is easier...
There more people there are, the easier it is... - There are more people, so it is easier...

Which one makes sense?

not a teacher

 

[Matthew Wai]

I think the one below makes sense.
'The more people there are, the easier it is...'── If there are more people, it will be easier...'

Not a teacher.

 

[dodonnell.btl]

Hello,

This is a common error when speaking about how many people there are in a group. So, "the more we are" should be "the more of us there are".
example : There are ten of us on the team.

A teacher

 

[emsr2d2]

I think the one below makes sense.
'The more people there are, the easier it is...'── If there are more people, it will be easier...'

Not a teacher.

If you look at post #2, you will see that I already suggested "The more people there are, the easier it is ...".

 

[Matthew Wai]

I already read your post#2 before writing my post#7.
My point is that your suggestion means ' If there are more people, it will be easier...' instead of 'There are more people, so it is easier...', which was written by tedmc in his post#6.
Am I right or wrong? Not a teacher.

 

[José Manuel Rosón Bravo]

I will put it more clearly: does "the more we are" make sense in English or not? Is it English or not?

I have googled "the more we are, the" and got 17,400,000 results. Among them:

On a finite planet, the optimum population providing the best quality of life for all, is clearly much smaller than the maximum, permitting bare survival. The more we are, the less for each; fewer people mean better lives.

(Source = http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/oct/23/why-population-growth-costs-the-earth-roger)

And many other expressions including it.

Is it or not?

 

[Matthew Wai]

The more we are, the less for each

I think people can guess the meaning, but it may be not proper English.

Not a teacher.

 

[tedmc]

The more we are, the less for each; fewer people mean better lives

The article was talking about rapid growth and overpopulation of the earth. Lesser words are used in the three phrases to make the concluding remark more poetic.
The first phrase 'the more we are' does not sound proper if it is used in a standalone sentence.

not a teacher

 

[José Manuel Rosón Bravo]

[Not a teacher]

The first phrase 'the more we are' does not sound proper if it is used in a standalone sentence.

I am agree with this, but your reference to the use of a poetic technique related to the meaning of the two sentences to explain the inclusion of the phrase seems quite personal to me.

I have seen it with many other meanings, and without any need for lesser words.

Another example:

The more we are, the better we are able to teach our students about it.

Source: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jii/475...ation-with-stuart-hall?rgn=main;view=fulltext

 

[Esredux]

[Not a teacher]



I am agree with this, but your reference to the use of a poetic technique related to the meaning of the two sentences to explain the inclusion of the phrase seems quite personal to me.

I have seen it with many other meanings, and without any need for lesser words.

Another example:

The more we are, the better we are able to teach our students about it.

Source: http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jii/475...ation-with-stuart-hall?rgn=main;view=fulltext

As it is, and taking more to imply more people, I would be strongly inclined to disagree. However, the whole quote is:

"We ought to be more methodologically self-conscious without falling into a methods course, whatever that might be. We ought to be reflexive about our own means of doing so. The more we are, the better we are able to teacher our students about it." (highlighted by me)

And I read it as "the more methodologically self-conscious and the more reflexive we are, the better we are able to teacher our students about it". It's not so nicely versed as in the original, in fact it's awkward and people do not normally speak in so long sentences. But you can't just go and pick up phrases out of their context - it can be dangerous. ;-)

 

[José Manuel Rosón Bravo]

As it is, and taking more to imply more people, I would be strongly inclined to disagree. However, the whole quote is:

"We ought to be more methodologically self-conscious without falling into a methods course, whatever that might be. We ought to be reflexive about our own means of doing so. The more we are, the better we are able to teacher our students about it." (highlighted by me)

I didn't take this text to exemplify the use of "the more" as "the more people", but to express other meanings.

Obviously the phrase only works in its context, but what I am trying to know is whether a sentence like the first one in post #1 is grammatically incorrect or not, inferring that the pronoun refers to "all of us".

 

[Esredux]

I didn't take this text to exemplify the use of "the more" as "the more people", but to express other meanings.

Obviously the phrase only works in its context, but what I am trying to know is whether a sentence like the first one in post #1 is grammatically incorrect or not, inferring that the pronoun refers to "all of us".

What in comment 2 makes you look for other options?