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I have no doubt that in many parts of the US, they might have been severely beaten or even murdered :?:

That's very strange to me. I have never thought there might be such a problem in the US. But dating and having sex without marriage is common, but if the girl gets pregnant, the man should be killed or severely beaten? Do you think this is fair or normal? This is exactly a contradictary. How do you evaluate my that idea?
 
I think you've misread what we've told you. The possibility of injury or death was only if the man refused to marry a woman he'd impregnated out of wedlock. If he did what was expected, and married the woman, then aside from some hard feelings and perhaps public shame, he probably wouldn't be physically harmed.

Typically the offenders would be scared enough of the possibility of harm, that they'd do what was expected and get married to avoid the risk of what could happen if they didn't. The amount of times it actually resulted in violence would have been pretty rare for that very reason.

We've also just told you it's not nearly so common as it used to be. As to whether it's fair or acceptable - that depends on one's personal beliefs. Times change, and so do societal norms, as well as what's acceptable. You have to view such things through the lens of what was the norm at the time. The idea was that you had to accept responsibility for your actions. I don't see any contradiction in that, although the concept of personal responsibility does seem to be in decline.

You said it happens in your country, so why would it be any stranger that it used to be common in the United States?
 
That's very strange to me. I have never thought there might be such a problem in the US. But dating and having sex without marriage is common, but if the girl gets pregnant, the man should be killed or severely beaten? Do you think this is fair or normal? This is exactly a contradictary. How do you evaluate my that idea?
It used to be common for a girl's father to resort to force if a man impregnated her before marriage. Societies change over time; nowadays I think this sort of thing is extremely rare in the United States.
 
I think you've misread what we've told you. The possibility of injury or death was only if the man refused to marry a woman he'd impregnated out of wedlock. If he did what was expected, and married the woman, then aside from some hard feelings and perhaps public shame, he probably wouldn't be physically harmed.

I didn't misread but I explained my idea incompletely. I mean if a man refused to marry with a girl in such a situation, is it fair for the man to be severely beaten or killed? Why are there lawyers and courts. The girl might find a lawyer and sue the man.

You said it happens in your country, so why would it be any stranger that it used to be common in the United States?

Because western norms are quite different.
 
I mean if a man refused to marry [STRIKE]with[/STRIKE] a girl in such a situation, is it fair for the man to be severely beaten or killed? Why are there lawyers and courts. The girl might find a lawyer and sue the man.
What's fair, what's just, and what really happens are different things. Until somewhere around fifty years ago, a man who was thought to have impregnated a girl and refused to marry her risked being beaten by her family members in many parts of the United States. Nowadays it's a lot less likely but not impossible. He could report the assault to the police, but he would still have suffered a beating.
 
And at such a time when this was more common, there's nothing to say the police would have necessarily sided with the man, especially if the local constabulary happened to be related to or friends with the girl's father. They might have turned a blind eye at best, or further 'encouraged the guy to reconsider' at worst.

There's the legal system and laws, and then there's local justice. The two didn't always (and perhaps sometimes still don't) necessarily equal the same thing.

You have to realize, even way back when this was more common, it was always far more prevalent in rural areas or small towns, and areas with strong religious beliefs.
 
It's strange how killing people for reasons like this (honour killings) happens in places with strong religious beliefs.
 
Why are there lawyers and courts. The girl might find a lawyer and sue the man.


This kind of behaviour is associated with the past, when courts did not function as smoothly. Today, the court would be a more logical route.
 
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