Tomorrow vs from tomorrow

[thehammer]

Which one is correct?

1- Starting from tomorrow, our policy will be to give free coffee to anyone with a tattoo of the company logo.
1a- Starting tomorrow, our policy will be to give free coffee to anyone with a tattoo of the company logo.

2- Starting tomorrow we will use our new office uniforms.
2a- Starting from tomorrow we will use our new office uniforms.
2b- Tomorrow we will use our new office uniforms.
2c- From tomorrow we will use our new office uniforms.

3- Exams will start tomorrow.
4- Exams will start from tomorrow.

 

[jutfrank]

I maintain that 'start from' is wrong every time, though I will concede it may be quite natural for many people.

 

[5jj]

An unusual idea for one who has written of his approach to grammar that he is a descriptivist.

 

[teechar]

I maintain that 'start from' is wrong every time

He'll have to start from scratch to rebuild his business after the hurricane.
The fire started from a candle that was left burning in the dining room overnight.
ABC started from the best position possible, but they still lost significant market share.
The riots in the village started from a minor argument over cattle.
Do you still maintain that?

 

[jutfrank]

An unusual idea for one who has written of his approach to grammar that he is a descriptivist.

Have I really? I thought I've always maintained that that's not the case! I certainly would not consider myself a descriptivist, most of the time. In fact, as a teacher, I think that descriptivism is very often the wrong approach to take. I've always considered that the biggest difference between you and I is precisely that you're much more likely to take a descriptivist approach to teaching.

Is it time to renew a healthy discussion on the advantages and disadvantages of descriptivist/prescriptivist approaches to teaching?

 

[jutfrank]

Do you still maintain that?

Yes!

I was talking only about points and periods of time.

The lesson starts from 9.00 am.

Do you consider this correct?

 

[Barque]

To me, "from tomorrow" works in certain sentences, though I think you can usually drop "from".

I agree "from 9 am" in your sentence sounds odd. I suppose that's because "tomorrow" isn't as specific as "9 am".

 

[jutfrank]

To me, "from tomorrow" works in certain sentences, though I think you can usually drop "from"..

There's nothing wrong with 'from tomorrow' when used correctly. The point I'm making concerns using 'start' in its punctual sense with 'from', which I'm saying is wrong.

You can use 'from tomorrow' without issue with stative verbs (like 'be') or verbs that express duration.

From tomorrow, no one's allowed to smoke in the lounge.
The period in question extends from tomorrow morning to the end of the day Friday.

But you can't use it with punctual verbs such as 'start'. That's all I'm saying here.

 

[5jj]

Have I really? I thought I've always maintained that that's not the case! I certainly would not consider myself a descriptivist, most of the time. In fact, as a teacher, I think that descriptivism is very often the wrong approach to take

My apologies for getting that so wrong.

 

[5jj]

But you can't use it with punctual verbs such as 'start'.

I can.

 

[thehammer]

Is not 'from' essential in the following sentence?

1- From when is no one allowed to smoke in the lounge?

Does not it change the meaning if I say:

2- When is no one allowed to smoke in the lounge?

 

[Barque]

Is not 'from' essential in the following sentence?

You need it to express a specific meaning.

Does not it change the meaning if I say:

Yes, it does.

The first suggests smoking is currently allowed but that's going to change. It means "When does the smoking restriction start?" (I think I'd word it this way rather than yours.)
The second suggests that there are certain times when you can't smoke there and certain times when you can, and you're asking when you can't.

 

[Tarheel]

Try:

Starting tomorrow, no one is allowed to smoke in the teachers lounge

 

[5jj]

I've always considered that the biggest difference between you and I is precisely that you're much more likely to take a descriptivist approach to teaching.

I'm more prescriptive that I thought, I could never have written that.

 

[White Hat]

Try:

Starting tomorrow, no one is allowed to smoke in the teachers lounge

'As of' would work instead of 'starting' here too, wouldn't it?

 

[White Hat]

I've always considered that the biggest difference between you and I is precisely that ...

Both 'between you and I' and 'between you and me' are correct here, aren't they?

 

[5jj]

Both 'between you and I' and 'between you and me' are correct here, aren't they?

It depends on which authority you value: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_you_and_I

 

[jutfrank]

"I've always considered that the biggest difference between you and I is ..."

I'm more prescriptive that I thought, I could never have written that.

I'd like to say that was an intentional error but it wasn't!

It depends on which authority you value

Or, as you've suggested, whether you take a prescriptivist/descriptivist approach.

 

[Tarheel]

'As of' would work instead of 'starting' here too, wouldn't it?

I don't think so.

 

[jutfrank]

'As of' would work instead of 'starting' here too, wouldn't it?

Yes.