from vs by

ostap77 said:

'' We are going to benefit from them relocating to our city''

OR

" We are going to benefit from their relocation to our city"

OR

" We are going to benefit by their relocation to our city"

OR

"We are gpoing to benefit by them relocating to our city"

Is there any difference between " benefit from" or "benefit by"?

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ostap77 said:

'' We are going to benefit from [STRIKE]them[/STRIKE] their relocating to our city''

OR

" We are going to benefit from their relocation to our city" correct

OR

" We are going to benefit by their relocation to our city" from is better

OR

"We are gpoing to benefit by [STRIKE]them[/STRIKE] their relocating to our city"

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OPENED EYES said:

I am not a teatcher

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e2e4 said:

Does this stick out for two miles?

We are going to benefit with their relocation to our city.:roll:

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ostap77 said:

But still sometimes it might heard that one says '' I insist on you going there" I appreciate you going there not your going there"? Getting back to your question" Taking a wild guess;-) you may not use "Benfit with", usually it's "benefit by" or "benefit from".

I would very much like to tell the difference between "benefit from" or "benefit by"?

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TheParser said:

NOT A TEACHER

(1) I do not know whether there is a "rule" that works 100% of the time.

(2) Most sources say that "from" is the most common preposition used

after "to benefit."

(3) Please google: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary. Then search

for "benefit." It gives one example of "benefit by" and several examples

of "benefit from."

(3) The Newbury House Dictionary (0nline) says:



benefit =

To profit from

To be helped by

(4) Longman English Dictionary Online gives:

Many thousands have benefited from the new treatment.
I'm sure you'll benefit from the visit.

They would benefit by reducing their labor costs.

(I notice that a noun follows "from" in those examples,

and a gerund follows "by.")

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ostap77 said:

So bsically preposition "by" is followed gerund. There can't be a noun after "by". What would you say, If one said "Can you please show us how we might benefit by this"?

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TheParser said:

NOT A TEACHER

(1) I offered those examples for you to make your own decision. I do

not know what the rule is -- if there is a rule.

(2) It is probably correct to say that "from" is used more often than

"by."

(3) In your example, I would feel more comfortable in saying:

Show us how we might benefit from this. ("this" = this situation, this

opportunity, etc.) On the other hand, perhaps others would feel

equally comfortable with "by."

I do not know English grammar well enough to make a definite

statement.

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ostap77 said:

I can't come to the conclusion. Would there be any rule when to as "from" and when "by"?

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Jaskin said:

hi,

Please note I'm not a teacher nor a native speaker;

I'd use the preposition by when the beneficiary and benefactor is the same person/institution etc.

Cheers

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TheParser said:

NOT A TEACHER

(1) I do not know any rule.

(2) I think that Opened Eyes gave a good answer to your original post.

(3) Maybe (maybe!!!) we can make up our own rule:


Use from if a noun follows; use by if a gerund follows.

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ostap77 said:

You mean like this "I'll benefit by going to the meating" and "I'll benefit from the presence at the meeting"?

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"Going" here in this sentence isn't the gerund.
I'd say it is the present participle.

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e2e4 said:

I'll benefit by going to the meeting this afternoon.

going ~ the present participle

I'll benefit from going to meetings. (not the particular meeting)

going ~ the gerund

This is what I thought when submitted my last post.

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Jaskin said:

hi,

As far as I understand,the present participle is the -ing form of a verb used as adjective..

The shooting (is/was) going on and on..
Is the going here the present participle or the gerund used as an adjective?

..in other words it should modify a noun; regardless whether we are talking about specific meeting or a particular one.
What is the difference between the specific meeting and the particular meeting?

[...] going to meetings.
[...] going to the meeting [...]
cheers

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