me or myself?

[Tedwonny]

Got this email from my friend:


Many things and many people are waiting for you, me included!

Is me correct? Or should it be myself?

 

[Raymott]

Got this email from my friend:


Many things and many people are waiting for you, me included!

Is me correct? Or should it be myself?

They both sound OK to me.

 

[TheParser]

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


Tedwonny,


(1) I did some research and am delighed to share it with you.



(2) According to the Learner's Dictionary, me and myself are "correct."

(3) I also checked the many books in the Google book section and found that

"me included" is used by many writers.

(4) I also found one very strict teacher named Don Hoeferkamp in his book A

Lighthearted Book of Common Errors (2011), page 59. He writes that "myself"

is not a "stand-alone subsitutute for the personal pronoun I or me."

(a) Mr. Hoeferkamp says that we should write "I included" or "including me."

(a) I checked the Web a bit but could not find any examples of "I included."

(b) I personally believe that he is "correct" in terms of strict grammar, but nobody

seems to follow his "rule."

(5) So I guess that we can say:

Everyone was there, me/myself included.
Everyone was there, including me.
Everyone, me/myself included, was there.
Everyone, including me, was there.

***

And for those who have the courage to follow Mr. Hoeferkamp's advice:

Everyone was there, I included.
Everyone was there, including me.
Everyone, I included, was there.
Everyone, including me, was there.

(6) I also learned that "included" is analyzed as a postpositive adjective.

That is, it is an adjective, and its position ("positive") is always after ("post")

the noun/pronoun.


***

Many people found your question very interesting, I included. :lol:

 

[symaa]

Can I say for example:

Everyone is looking for a better life, you included.

Thank you in advance.

 

[TheParser]

Can I say for example:

Everyone is looking for a better life, you included.

CAUTION: NOT A TEACHER


(1) I think (repeat: think) that your sentence is grammatically fine.

(2) I have noticed that many people would also use "yourself" in that sentence.

(3) I guess that very strict teacher whom I mentioned in my first post would allow

only "you."

Tom: Why are so many people coming to this country?

Mona: Because everyone is looking for a better liife, you/yourself included.
Because everyone is looking for a better life, including you.
Because everyone, you/ yourself included, is looking for a better life.
Because everyone, including you, is looking for a better life.

(I guess some native speakers would also say "including yourself." Of course,

that strict teacher would be very upset.)

 

[symaa]

Thank you so much for the clarification.

Regards,

 

[Tedwonny]

Oh, thank goodness, that's very kind of you!

Impressive enthusiasm about language and linguistics! =]