including means together with

[JACEK1]

Hello all users!

I would like to check with you that I get the following phrase right.

By the phrase I mean "including".

All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

I would like to know if "including" in the sentence above means "together with".

The sentence is taken from a manual regarding A DC Electrical Control System.

 

[probus]

If someone substituted "together with" for "including" I would have trouble understanding what the sentence means. It isn't clear why the writer felt it necessary to make specific reference to the socket for a remote control unit. Perhaps he or she just wanted to mention the fact that a remote control exists and chose this slightly awkward and indirect way of doing so.

 

[Raymott]

Hello all users!

I would like to check with you that I get the following phrase right.

By the phrase I mean "including".

All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

I would like to know if "including" in the sentence above means "together with".

The sentence is taken from a manual regarding A DC Electrical Control System.

It's wrongly used here.
No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
"10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.

 

[probus]

It's wrongly used here.
No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
"10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.

It is bad writing, but it is a type of bad writing that one does run across. It think the firm decided to avoid the expense of employing a technical writer by allowing its technicians to do the writing instead.

 

[Raymott]

It is bad writing, but it is a type of bad writing that one does run across. It think the firm decided to avoid the expense of employing a technical writer by allowing its technicians to do the writing instead.

Yes, one does come across it. That's all the more reason for pointing out that it's wrong.
One day a war will start because of errors like this!

 

[SoothingDave]

It's wrongly used here.
No, 'including' shouldn't be used to mean 'plus'. If the connector socket is a connector, the sentence is right.
"10 connectors including a connector socket" means 10 units total, one of which is the connector socket.

I read it as the "connector socket for the remote control unit" is indeed another "connector."

 

[Raymott]

I read it as the "connector socket for the remote control unit" is indeed another "connector."

I'm not sure what you mean by "another connector". Do you mean "10 connections including a connector socket" is 11 items to you?

 

[SoothingDave]

I'm not sure what you mean by "another connector". Do you mean "10 connections including a connector socket" is 11 items to you?

No, ten items. I meant "it is included in the set of things known as 'connectors.'"

 

[JACEK1]

In my opinion, the sense of the phrase would change if a comma were placed before "including". Then, it would mean "plus".

All wiring connections to the board are made by connectors, including a connector socket for a remote control unit.

 

[SoothingDave]

No, "including" doesn't mean "plus."

 

[JACEK1]

I stand corrected. "including" doesn't mean "plus." This is what "including" means: together with, along with, coupled with, to mention but a few.

including synonyms | Synonyms for including

Does the meaning of "including" in question change, depending on a comma or lack of it in the sentence?

 

[Raymott]

I stand corrected. "including" doesn't mean "plus." This is what "including" means: together with, along with, coupled with, to mention but a few.

including synonyms | Synonyms for including

Does the meaning of "including" in question change, depending on a comma or lack of it in the sentence?

No