A clever man is a lover of wisdom by suffering

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@ahsanul.irfan I don't think you understand my comment.

If you want an aphorism, try this:

A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
 

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@ahsanul.irfan I don't think you understand my comment.

If you want an aphorism, try this:

A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
I'm a wise man, and I have learned from my and others' mistakes.

What I want to say is "When an intelligent man lives a life of suffering, he uses his intelligent mind to seeks wisdom, and when an intelligent man lives a life of enjoyment, he uses his intelligent mind to make jokes."
 

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It's a little pointless trying to compose a sentence that isn't necessarily true.
 
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It’s too deep for me to understand. :confused:
 

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It’s too deep for me to understand. :confused:
"When an intelligent man lives a life of suffering, he seeks wisdom, and when an intelligent man lives a life of enjoyment, he makes jokes." Is it now easy, and does it sound like an aphorism?
 

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What do think I'm trying to say? Can you say it in your words?

The reason I am saying "....make jokes." because the people who are good at making jokes are so intelligent.
 

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Can you say it in your words?
I suppose you mean: Suffering makes an intelligent man seek wisdom, and happiness makes him seek humour. As many of us have pointed out, this isn't necessarily true.

because the people who are good at making jokes are so intelligent.
Maybe, but that doesn't mean all intelligent people make a lot of jokes.
 

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I think it's OK. I guess the meaning is this: 'When an intelligent person is going through hard times they try to stay strong and learn from their adversity, and when they are living the good life they try to maintain a good sense of humor, smile as much as possible, and make others smile and stay positive and optimistic.'
 

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One of the points about an aphorism is that it expresses someting that is true.

People who are good at making jokes are not necessarily intelligent.

See post #26.
 
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One of the points about an aphorism is thatit expresses someting that is true.

People who are good at making jokes are not necessarily intelligent.
So, Should I call them "clever"?
 

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The word 'smart' is good too.
 

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I will change mine into a brief dialogue. (See below.)

Ron: A wise man learns from the mistakes of others.
Don: That way he doesn't have to make his own mistakes, Right?
Ron: That's right!

When I said "You keep digging a deeper hole" I meant the revisions are not better than the original.

We all learn from experience. Some people learn the right lessons. Others, sadly, do not.

We owe it to ourselves to listen to those who are smarter than us. The problem is we all think we are geniuses.

We all have good and bad experiences. Smart people learn the right lessons from those experiences.

The thing is to keep it pithy. And say it in a way that won't have people scratching their heads. They should say "That's right!" and not "Huh?"
 

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'Adversity turns a smart person into a wisdom seeker, and prosperity, into a funnyman.'
 

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'Adversity turns a smart person into a wisdom seeker, and prosperity, into a funnyman.'
This is no better, and no clearer, than any of the other versions. I'll ask again - on what evidence are you basing these claims?
 

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Perhaps, it's just a little more compact.
 

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'Adversity turns a smart person into a wisdom seeker, and prosperity, into a funnyman.'
Two things. One, do you have any real life examples of that? Two, how are the two things connected?
 

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I see you're hoping for further enlightenment here.
 
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