a hard day’s labor

[suprunp]

One by one they emerged, like miners returning to the surface after a hard day’s labor.
(H. Murakami; 1Q84)

I think that 'hard' modifies 'labor', 'day's' (descriptive genitive) modifies 'labor' and 'a' should go to 'labor' as well. But isn't 'labour' an uncountable noun?

Thanks.

 

[susiedq]

after / labor


labor is modified by adjective: day's

day's is modified by hard

a tells that is is one specific hard day

day's
hard
a

 

[cereal_chick]

But isn't 'labour' an uncountable noun?

Yes, but "a hard day's" isn't specifying a quantity of labour, it's giving a description of the type of labour that took place.

But "a day's" could be describing a quantity. It depends on how you look at it.

[Not a teacher]

 

[Rover_KE]

A hard day's work is a standard idiom.

Rover

 

[5jj]

Tending this forum is a labour of love. ;-)

 

[TheParser]

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Suprunp,

(1) I have exciting news.

(2) The second edition of Descriptive English Grammar (1954) has a similar noun phrase:

The old man's sight.

(a) Professors House and Harman parse it as:

sight = the noun.

man's = modifies "sight."

the = modifies "man's."

old = modifies "man's."

(3) If you accept the scholars' explanation, then I guess that we can say:

labor = the noun.

day's = modifies "labor."

a = modifies "day's."

hard = modifies "day's."

labor
day's labor
a day's labor
a hard day's labor

(4) This analyis is almost the same as susiedq's excellent parsing.

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(5) I believe that "labor" can be countable. Here are some examples from the Web:

Hercules performed twelve labors.

For all the saints, who from their labors rest.

The Lineage, Life, and Labors of Jose Rizal, Philippine Patriot.

 

[suprunp]

I have only two small questions, if I may.

Can an item intervene between day's and labour?
For example:

'a hard day's back-breaking labour'.

Can an item intervene between night's and sleep in the following example:

'a tolerable night's sleep'

a tolerable night's deep sleep

Thanks.

 

[TheParser]

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Suprunp,

(1) I, too, am waiting for someone to answer you.

(2) Five minutes ago, I read something that I thought would delight you:

"The Shanghai Translation Publishing House, the largest publisher of translated

books in China, releases titles that it wouldn't have touched before [my emphasis]."

It now translates Haruki Murakami's novels even though they have "too much sex."

But an editor at that publishing house is quoted as saying: "Now we're willing to take

risks."

Source: The New Yorker magazine, February 6, 2012.

 

[SoothingDave]

I have only two small questions, if I may.

Can an item intervene between day's and labour?
For example:

'a hard day's back-breaking labour'.

Can an item intervene between night's and sleep in the following example:

'a tolerable night's sleep'

a tolerable night's deep sleep

Thanks.

I don't see why not.

 

[suprunp]

My thoughts about this particular genitive were, and I'm afraid still are that it is, as you could have surmised from my first post, descriptive genitive and, therefore, acts as a modifier rather than a determinative.

For example:
a women's college > a college for women
a summer's day > a day in the summer, a summer day.*

One of the distinguishing marks of the descriptive genitive is the fact that any modifiers and/or determiners preceding it generally belong to the head noun, rather than to the genitive noun. This means that in the following structure his and old modify cottage:
his old shepherd's cottage.
(Compare: his old friend's cottage)*

On top of this no item can be put in between shepherd's and cottage.

Having said this I would rather liken 'a hard day's labor' or 'a tolerable night's sleep' to 'his old shepherd's cottage' than to 'the old man's sight'.

If I'm wrong and my logic is flawed please do say it so that I could memorise it once and for all.

Thanks.

[*A Comprehensive Grammar of The English Language]

 

[TheParser]

One of the distinguishing marks of the descriptive genitive is the fact that any modifiers and/or determiners preceding it generally belong to the head noun, rather than to the genitive noun. This means that in the following structure his and old modify cottage:
his old shepherd's cottage.
(Compare: his old friend's cottage)*

On top of this no item can be put in between shepherd's and cottage.

Having said this I would rather liken 'a hard day's labor' or 'a tolerable night's sleep' to 'his old shepherd's cottage' than to 'the old man's sight'.

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


Great!

Yes, I remember reading Professor Quirk's brilliant discussion.

It will be exciting to see what the teachers have to say about it.

"A hard day's labor" may, indeed, be different from "the old man's sight."

Your post shows once again that many advanced learners understand grammar

much better than many ordinary native speakers, many of whom (such as I) have

never studied university-level "grammar." (Is that "linguistics"?)

 

[TheParser]

a summer's day > a day in the summer, a summer day.*


Having said this I would rather liken 'a hard day's labor' or 'a tolerable night's sleep' to 'his old shepherd's cottage' than to 'the old man's sight'.

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***** NOT A TEACHER *****


GREAT NEWS!!! (I think) :lol:

Maybe you have already read it, but if you have not, I have found a scholarly

discussion that will confirm your comments.

Please go to Google and type in these words:

Genitive determiners First day's Understanding English Grammar Thomas Edward Payne

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Scroll down to the 5th result. (Look for the words "it was a glorious summer's day.")

If you have not read this article yet, it will be an answer to your dreams!

Thanks a million for forcing me to expand my knowledge of English.

(Forgive me for not linking, but I am too stupid to know how.)