consider the deep state to encompass corruption

[GoodTaste]

Does "encompass" here mean "include"? That is, to consider corruption as part (how much? 30%) of the "deep state." I am not sure.


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In the United States, the "deep state" is a conspiracy theory which suggests that collusion and cronyism exist within the US political system and constitute a hidden government within the legitimately elected government. Author Mike Lofgren believes that there is "a hybrid association of elements of government and parts of top-level finance and industry that is effectively able to govern the United States without reference to the consent of the governed as expressed through the formal political process", or consider the deep state to encompass corruption prevalent among career politicians and civil serva

-From Wikipedia

 

[Tarheel]

Yes, it includes that.

 

[jutfrank]

The last part of the second sentence, from or consider ... is not right. It's ungrammatical and doesn't make sense.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

The last part of the second sentence, from or consider ... is not right. It's ungrammatical and doesn't make sense.

Yup. It's a mess.

 

[jutfrank]

I imagine it was an oversight at the initial draft stage. It looks as if that last part was the end of an entirely different sentence.

Anyway, it does seem to be using the word encompass to mean something like 'include', but since the thought is not properly expressed, I'm reluctant to say for sure. It seems a bit odd to me to say that a state 'encompasses' corruption. Or at least not the best way of saying it. I imagine what the author was saying was that corruption is one of the associations that people have about the idea of the deep state.

 

[GoodTaste]

The last part of the second sentence, from or consider ... is not right. It's ungrammatical and doesn't make sense.

How about considering...?

 

[jutfrank]

No, I meant that it seems to me that the part from or consider belongs to a completely different sentence.

 

[Tdol]

Does "encompass" here mean "include"? That is, to consider corruption as part (how much? 30%) of the "deep state." I am not sure.

The author may have a much worse opinion and think it is more than a third.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Lofgren

(I offer no opinion on how right or wrong he is.)

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

Does "encompass" here mean "include"? That is, to consider corruption as part (how much? 30%) of the "deep state." . . .

Americans who believe there is a deep state think that the government is 100% corrupt.

They distrust, fear, or hate civil service and civil servants in general. They also call it big government. They use the word freedom to mean freedom from government.

 

[jutfrank]

GoodTaste is not wondering how corrupt these people think the government is. He's just trying to understand the use of the word encompass. If the deep state 'includes' government corruption, then there must be other things that it also includes.

GoodTaste—you should really just forget about this sentence and move on.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

GoodTaste is not wondering how corrupt these people think the government is. . . .

Yes, exactly. I was only addressing the "30%" part of the question. The rest had been answered completely. Uh - 100%.

 

[Tarheel]

A couple of things, and then I'm finished here.

I'm an expert on my own opinions.

I'm not going to make any political comments. (This is a language forum, not a political one.)

I don't want to make comments on somebody else's writing unless somebody asks me about it. (I can't change anything, so why bother?)

Back to bed!