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[ihop]

Hi,

Please correct the below sentence...

When Jennifer come in the evening I will give her a gift.

Thanks,
Ihop.

 

[billmcd]

Hi,

Please correct the below sentence...

When Jennifer comes in the evening (OR "this evening")I will give her a gift.

Thanks,
Ihop.

OK.

 

[milan2003_07]

Hi,

Please correct the below sentence...

When Jennifer come in the evening I will give her a gift.

Thanks,
Ihop.

When Jennifer comes in the evening, I will give her a gift.

 

[ihop]

Thanks!

 

[milan2003_07]

I think "When Jeniffer has come ..." is also possible. The same meaning.

 

[Rover_KE]

I think "When Jeniffer has come ..." is also possible. The same meaning.

No, Milan - that doesn't work.

Rover

 

[milan2003_07]

No, Milan - that doesn't work.

Rover

Why?

When the train arrives, we will board it
When the train has arrived, we will board it

When the morning comes, we will go to work
When the morning has come, we will go to work

Why doesn't the original sentence work with the Present Perfect?

 

[billmcd]

Why?

When the train arrives, we will board it
When the train has arrived, we will board it

When the morning comes, we will go to work
When the morning has come, we will go to work

Why doesn't the original sentence work with the Present Perfect?

None of your examples are grammatically correct. Both phrases in your example refer to the future. You are combining the recent past/present perfect (in your examples, the train/morning hasn't arrived) with the future. Use of the simple present for future ( "when the train/morning arrives/comes") is consistent with simple future ("will"). More briefly, don't use present perfect for future actions.

 

[5jj]

None of your examples are grammatically correct. [...] More briefly, don't use present perfect for future actions.

Sorry bill, you are wrong.
Constructions with the present perfect for future actions are perfectly acceptable.
When you have read this, you will understand what I mean.;-)

Any form of the present (simple, progressive, perfect) can be used for the future, especially in clauses of condition and time.

 

[5jj]

Milan: I think "When Jeniffer has come ..." is also possible. The same meaning.

No, Milan - that doesn't work.

I'm with milan, Rover: Why?

I admit that I'd say 'has arrived' rather than 'has come', but that's a personal thing. I can't see that "When Jennifer has come..." is wrong.

 

[Rover_KE]

It just sounds wrong to me, but as I'm clearly outvoted, I'll get my coat.

Rover

 

[5jj]

It just sounds wrong to me, but as I'm clearly outvoted, I'll get my coat.

When you've got your coat, I'll pass your hat.;-)

 

[billmcd]

Sorry bill, you are wrong.
Constructions with the present perfect for future actions are perfectly acceptable.
When you have read this, you will understand what I mean.;-)

Any form of the present (simple, progressive, perfect) can be used for the future, especially in clauses of condition and time.

OK. I stand (or sit) corrected. Technically/grammatically you are correct. I think I was "overcome" by popular usage because "When Jennifer has come in the evening, I will give her a gift" just doesn't work for me (maybe it's the verb "come") and, I think, at least in AmE, you would hear/read "When Jennifer comes......" most often. For me, use of simple present sounds/reads better for some statements than for others.

 

[5jj]

"When Jennifer has come in the evening, I will give her a gift" just doesn't work for me (maybe it's the verb "come") and, I think, at least in AmE, you would hear/read "When Jennifer comes......" most often.'

I think you are right about the verb. You'll note that I said I preferred 'arrive', and I imagine it was the 'come' that made Rover unhappy.

I sprang up in defence of the use of the present perfect in such future constructions, but concede that 'come' wasn't the best verb to fight for.

 

[milan2003_07]

I think that's the difference between AE and BE. Probably in AE people don't use Present Perfect for future that follows "if". We need more AE speakers to see if it's so. I was taught at the university that both are possible. I was also surprised to hear that Present Perfect is wrong.

 

[Rover_KE]

5jj wrote

You'll note that I said I preferred 'arrive', and I imagine it was the 'come' that made Rover unhappy.

That's right.

I wanted to let Milan know that "When Jennifer has come in the evening, I will give her a gift" is not a sentence a native speaker is ever likely to say.

Rover

 

[milan2003_07]

5jj wrote


That's right.

I wanted to let Milan know that "When Jennifer has come in the evening, I will give her a gift" is not a sentence a native speaker is ever likely to say.

Rover

The problem is in the usage of the Present Perfect here or you insist that the verb "to come" should be replaced with "to arrive"?

 

[5jj]

The problem is in the usage of the Present Perfect here or you insist that the verb "to come" should be replaced with "to arrive"?

The present perfect is OK - that's why I questioned Rover's rejection of your sentence. However, I am inclined to agree with Rover on this point: "When Jennifer has come in the evening, I will give her a gift" is not a sentence a native speaker is ever likely to say.

 

[milan2003_07]

OK. Now I see the problem. "Come" is not the right word.

 

[Rover_KE]

'Come' is the right word.

I'd say 'When Jennifer comes this evening I'm going to give her this necklace'.

Rover