[Grammar] GRAMMAR DOUBTS

[JOBKS]

Which is correct

Some of the painting (has/have) patches of poison ivy.

 

[Rover_KE]

Welcome to the forum, JOBKS.

Which is correct? (End a question with a question mark.)

Tell us what you think first, and why.

 

[JOBKS]

has

because some of painting

 

[Rover_KE]

'has'

because of 'some of the painting'.

That's right.

In future posts, please give your threads better titles.

A better title for this one would have been Some of the painting has/have...

Extract from the Posting Guidelines:

'Thread titles should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.'

 

[khanhhung2512]

NOT A TEACHER
Does 'some of the painting' mean 'a part of the painting'?

 

[Matthew Wai]

When used as a pronoun, 'some' means 'a part of the whole number or amount being considered'── quoted from http://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/some_2 Definition#2
But what does a painting have to do with number or amount?

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[Jiayun]

I agree with Matthew. Shouldn't the sentence be 'Some of the paintings have ​....'?

 

[Rover_KE]

Not if it's a single painting.

 

[Matthew Wai]

'Some' can mean 'some part' which is singular, am I right?

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[Rover_KE]

Yes.

 

[Jiayun]

Can I say 'some parts of the painting have ...' ? Any difference in meaning?

Thank you!

 

[Rover_KE]

yes...no

 

[khanhhung2512]

NOT A TEACHER
To tell you the truth, I'm really surprised and even a bit shocked. Because in every dictionary I've checked so far, about 5 of them, 'some of' is always followed by either a plural noun or an uncountable noun.
Here are some of those dictionaries.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/some
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/some

 

[Matthew Wai]

'some of' is always followed by either a plural noun or an uncountable noun.

If so, do you deem the following wrong?
'Some of your article is wrong.'

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[khanhhung2512]

'Some of your article is wrong.'

NOT A TEACHER
Where did you get that sentence? Please tell me.

 

[Matthew Wai]

I thought it up myself.

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[Jiayun]

It sounds strange to me. I think people usually say 'some parts of the article' instead of 'some article', or people would say 'some articles'. Having said that I'm not sure if the sentence 'some part of the article is...' is grammatically correct, but even it is, which seems to be suggested by Rover, I will avoid using such sentence structure to avoid causing any confusion.

 

[Matthew Wai]

I'm not sure if the sentence 'some part of the article is...' is grammatically correct

About 589 and 10,300,000 examples of 'some part' could be found on FRAZE·IT and Google respectively. What do you think?

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[Roman55]

NOT A TEACHER
To tell you the truth, I'm really surprised and even a bit shocked. Because in every dictionary I've checked so far, about 5 of them, 'some of' is always followed by either a plural noun or an uncountable noun.
Here are some of those dictionaries.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/some
http://www.learnersdictionary.com/definition/some

I am not a teacher.

Have you never come across 'some of it' before?

This is singular and perfectly acceptable. The 'it' could be the painting, for instance.

 

[Matthew Wai]

The 'it' could also be 'your article'.

Not a teacher.