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This is from Upstream Proficiency by Virginia Evans and Jenny Dooley.

Could you have a look at this construction.

This construction seems to be have smth + v .

This grammar construction confuses me a lot. I seem to have never come across it.
At least I can't recognize it.

Could you comment on it?

The most valuable would be some advice where to read or how to google on this subject.

More examples would be also highly appreciated.
 

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I've had many students pass through my hands.
I had my car stolen last week.
I had a trainee throw up in class once
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These are not examples of causative have. In such sentences, have means something like experience a situation when ... .

Such constructions are identical in construction to causatives. Only context can tell us which is meant:

The famous writer had his last novel burnt.
= 1. (causative) He caused it to be burnt.
= 2. (non-causative) This happened to him.
 
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Thank you for your answer. But I can't understand you at all.


I had my car stolen last week.

Murphy explained this in unit 45 of his English Grammar in Use. This means that something happens to somebody or their belongings.

The famous writer had his last novel burnt.

Also unit 45. Either he arranged it himself, or it just happened.

Anyway, these are constructions have + past participle.

I had a trainee throw up in class one.
I have not understood this example at all. I can't grasp the meaning of what is written here. It looks like the construction have + bare infinitive.

Does it mean that you are an experienced employee and you arranged that an apprentice of yours was kicked away from the traineeship programme?
 

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I had a trainee throw up in class once. It happened to me once that one of my trainees threw up (vomited).
 

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nonverbis said:
But I can't understand you at all.

I would only say that if I was feeling frustrated and had given up on understanding the person.

nonverbis said:
I have not understood this example at all.

Don't use that one again.

(You can kick somebody out of something, but "kicked away" means something else.)
 
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