I wouldn't have invited/wouldn't invite him

[Ashraful Haque]

1) I said the following after I got disconnected from an online match:
"I would've been on top if I hadn't lost my connection."

My question is, what if I said this instead:
"I'd be on top if I didn't loose my connection."



2) My brother was showing off his skills so I said (for a laugh of course):
"I wouldn't have invited him if I knew he was such a show off."

Same question. What if I said this:
"I wouldn't invite him if I knew he was such a show off."

From what I've learned so far I'm not able to tell which one's correct between the given context.

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

1) I said the following after I got disconnected from an online match:
"I would've been on top if I hadn't lost my connection."

My question is, what if I said this instead:
"I'd be on top if I didn't lose my connection."

If you would still be on top now, then it's fine. If not, then no.

2) My brother was showing off his skills so I said (for a laugh of course):
"I wouldn't have invited him if I knew he was such a show off."

Same question. What if I said this:
"I wouldn't invite him if I knew he was such a show off."

No. That doesn't make sense. You could say: I won't invite him again, because now I know he's such a show off.
From what I've learned so far I'm not able to tell which one's correct between the given contexts.

Between what contexts?

Mind your tenses.

 

[emsr2d2]

1) I said the following after I got disconnected from an online match:
"I would've been on top if I hadn't lost my connection."

My question is, what if I had said this instead?
"I'd be on top if I didn't [STRIKE]loose[/STRIKE] lose my connection."
No. That doesn't work. You need the past perfect "hadn't lost".



2) My brother was showing off his skills so I said (for a laugh of course):
"I wouldn't have invited him if I [STRIKE]knew[/STRIKE] had known he was such a show off."

Same question. What if I said this?
"I wouldn't invite him if I knew he was such a show off." :cross:

From what I've learned so far, I'm not able to tell which one's correct [STRIKE]between[/STRIKE] in the given contexts.

See above.

[Cross-posted]

 

[Tarheel]

I might say:

Dang! I got disconnected at a bad time. I was winning that game.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

"I wouldn't have invited him if I [STRIKE]knew[/STRIKE] had known he was such a show off."

"I wouldn't have invited him if I knew he was such a show off."

Is this a BrE vs AmE thing?

 

[emsr2d2]

I think it might be. We've had threads before where it's clear that AmE accepts the simple past in places where only the present perfect or past perfect work in BrE.

 

[GoesStation]

Is this a BrE vs AmE thing?

I would only use the past perfect in the quoted sentence, but I've noticed other Americans using the past simple instead of the past perfect more and more often lately.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

I would only use the past perfect in the quoted sentence, but I've noticed other Americans using the past simple instead of the past perfect more and more often lately.

What about written English. Would you even write the past simple version?

 

[GoesStation]

What about written English. Would you [STRIKE]even[/STRIKE] write the past simple version?

I wouldn't myself, but I often notice other Americans writing the past simple where I'd use the past perfect. Learners should use the past perfect.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

"I'd be on top if I didn't lose my connection."

If you would still be on top now, then it's fine. If not, then no.

I though about it for a while and I think I know what you meant. It's hard for me to put it into words, so I'll try to give an example.
A: I've got 10 kills. Now who's the best player?
B: I lost my connection man. I'd be the one on top if didn't get disconnected. (I can say this during the game may be after reconnecting. It's saying that I'd be on top now if....)


And I can say "I would've been on top if I hadn't lost my connection." after the game is over to talk about the past event (the game).

Sorry if I failed to explain myself properly.

 

[emsr2d2]

I thought about it for a while and I think I know what you meant. It's hard for me to put it into words, so I'll try to give an example.

A: I've got 10 kills. Now who's the best player?
B: I lost my connection man. I'd be the one on top if didn't get disconnected. (I can say this during the game, maybe after reconnecting. [STRIKE]It's[/STRIKE] I'm saying that I'd be on top now if....)


And I can say "I would've been on top if I hadn't lost my connection no full stop here" after the game is over to talk about the past event (the game).

Sorry if I failed to explain myself properly.

You need "... if I hadn't been disconnected" in the first and "... if I hadn't lost my connection" in the second. It's got nothing to do with whether the game is over. The relevant occurrence is the disconnection. That's in the past in both scenarios.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

You need "... if I hadn't been disconnected" in the first and "... if I hadn't lost my connection" in the second. It's got nothing to do with whether the game is over. The relevant occurrence is the disconnection. That's in the past in both scenarios.

If I'm not mistaken both "I would've been on top if I hadn't been disconnected" and "I'd be the one on top if hadn't lost my connection" are the third conditionals since they talk about hypothetical situations in the past (past perfect subjunctive + conditional perfect).

If so, are "I'd be the one on top if didn't get disconnected" and "I wouldn't have invited him if I knew he was such a show off" mixed conditionals? I know it's wrong in BrE. But I just want to learn about mixed conditionals (past simple subjunctive + conditional perfect).

 

[GoesStation]

If so, are "I'd be the one on top if didn't get disconnected" and "I wouldn't have invited him if I knew he was such a show off" mixed conditionals? I know it's wrong in BrE. But I just want to learn about mixed conditionals (past simple subjunctive + conditional perfect).

I suppose they might be. Like most native speakers, I know nothing about the levels of conditionals. In any case, the example sentences just look wrong to me.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

I suppose they might be. Like most native speakers, I know nothing about the levels of conditionals. In any case, the example sentences just look wrong to me.

I'm sorry but I'm still not clear about the difference between "I'd be on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected" and "I would've been on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected."

 

[Charlie Bernstein]

I'm sorry but I'm still not clear about the difference between "I'd be on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected" and "I would've been on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected."

I'd be on top NOW if I hadn't gotten disconnected.

I would've been on top THEN if I hadn't gotten disconnected.

 

[jutfrank]

I'm sorry but I'm still not clear about the difference between "I'd be on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected" and "I would've been on top if I hadn't got(ten) disconnected."

The first is what's often called a mixed conditional, and the second is a third conditional.

See post #15 for the difference in meaning.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

I'd be on top NOW if I hadn't gotten disconnected.

I would've been on top THEN if I hadn't gotten disconnected.

I see. I think I can say "I would've been on top if I hadn't gotten disconnected" even after a year from now while talking about this incident. But I would only say "I'd be on top if I hadn't gotten disconnected" while we're still playing the game.

 

[Tarheel]

I see. I think I can say "I would've been on top if I hadn't gotten disconnected" even after a year from now while talking about this incident. But I would only say "I'd be on top if I hadn't gotten disconnected" while we're still playing the game.

Except you wouldn't be playing the game. You had been disconnected. However, you might be talking to somebody about it immediately afterwards.

 

[Ashraful Haque]

Except you wouldn't be playing the game. You had been disconnected. However, you might be talking to somebody about it immediately afterwards.

Yea. I actually said that after reconnecting. Thank you so much.