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[ostap77]

Is it OK to use it in such contexts?

If I tended bar and a customer ordered a drink but I was not sure if he was 21, would it be OK to say "I'm going to have to ID you."?

If I was a cashier and a customer wanted to charge some goods on his credit card, would it be OK to say "I'm going to have to ID you, sir."?

 

[Rover_KE]

Yes, it's OK, though a bit brusque.

A more polite way of asking would be 'May I see your ID, please, sir?'

Rover

 

[5jj]

Yes

 

[5jj]

You're too fast for me, Rover.

 

[ostap77]

You're too fast for me, Rover.

Can I ID something?

"I'll have to ID this information instead of I'll have to verify this information."?

 

[5jj]

Can I ID something?

"I'll have to ID this information instead of I'll have to verify this information."?

It sounds most odd to me. I'd say it's not possible.

 

[Rover_KE]

You're too fast for me, Rover.

That must be a first!

 

[5jj]

I overslept.

And I have a tendency to put Ostap's posts at the bottom of my list. (Only kidding, Ostap ;-))

 

[Khosro]

I overslept.

And I have a tendency to put Ostap's posts at the bottom of my list. (Only kidding, Ostap ;-))

Perhaps not just a joke. If one starts replying a thread of ostap they (s)he shoud stop answering any other thread, because (s)he will be busy for a while!

 

[ostap77]

Perhaps not just a joke. If one starts replying a thread of ostap they (s)he shoud stop answering any other thread, because (s)he will be busy for a while!

Hey I'm just trying to learn as much stuff as I can. A person can't learn everything from the grammar text-book!;-)

 

[Khosro]

:up:

Hey I'm just trying to learn as much stuff as I can. A person can't learn everything from the grammar text-book!;-)

Right, learning is hard. We should exploit any reasource available.

 

[ostap77]

:up:

Right, learning is hard. We should exploit any reasource available.

I've always been saying it!

 

[Ouisch]

Is it OK to use it in such contexts?

If I tended bar and a customer ordered a drink but I was not sure if he was 21, would it be OK to say "I'm going to have to ID you."?

In AmE, this would not sound correct. The bartender/server would either say "I'll have to see some ID" or more colloquially "I'll have to card you" (in AmE, "ID" as a verb is usually used in situations where one person is asked to identify another. For example, if you witnessed someone stealing a woman's purse and running off, the police would ask you "Can you positively ID the suspect?") When a bartender or retail salesperson requires proof that a customer is 21 or older, we use "card" as the verb. Example: Two underage students are discussing where they might be able to purchase a six-pack of beer. "Why don't we try Simpson's Liquor Store - I've heard that the clerk there never cards you." Many liquor stores in the US have warning signs posted that say simply "WE CARD", meaning they will check your ID if you look younger than 25 or 30.

If I was a cashier and a customer wanted to charge some goods on his credit card, would it be OK to say "I'm going to have to ID you, sir."?

Again, this would not be correct in AmE. The cashier would say "I need to see some ID" or would ask "May I see your ID?" Most often, though, he will simply ask to see your driver's license, as that is the most common form of photo ID in the US.

 

[ostap77]

In AmE, this would not sound correct. The bartender/server would either say "I'll have to see some ID" or more colloquially "I'll have to card you" (in AmE, "ID" as a verb is usually used in situations where one person is asked to identify another. For example, if you witnessed someone stealing a woman's purse and running off, the police would ask you "Can you positively ID the suspect?") When a bartender or retail salesperson requires proof that a customer is 21 or older, we use "card" as the verb. Example: Two underage students are discussing where they might be able to purchase a six-pack of beer. "Why don't we try Simpson's Liquor Store - I've heard that the clerk there never cards you." Many liquor stores in the US have warning signs posted that say simply "WE CARD", meaning they will check your ID if you look younger than 25 or 30.



Again, this would not be correct in AmE. The cashier would say "I need to see some ID" or would ask "May I see your ID?" Most often, though, he will simply ask to see your driver's license, as that is the most common form of photo ID in the US.

You have to make up your mind guys, I mean in the States, I got it from an episode of an American series "Hawaii Five-0". So why would someone use a phrase in an American series that sounds foreign to an American? It's about a bartender.

 

[bhaisahab]

You have to make up your mind guys, I mean in the States, I got it from an episode of an American series "Hawaii Five-0". So why would someone use a phrase in an American series that sounds foreign to an American? It's about a bartender.

Please be a little more polite. Why should anybody even an American be able to comment on why a TV writer on an American series from thirty years ago used the language he did?
Don't use TV series to learn good English, it's often very poor; If you do, accept that native speakers may be unfamiliar with the language used.

 

[ostap77]

Please be a little more polite. Why should anybody even an American be able to comment on why a TV writer on an American series from thirty years ago used the language he did?
Don't use TV series to learn good English, it's often very poor; If you do, accept that native speakers may be unfamiliar with the language used.

I didn't mean to be impolite.

With all due respect, it's not from thirty years back. It was premiered on TV in 2010. 18 episodes have been relized so far 4 to go.What Hawaii Five-0 would you be refering to, sir?
On top of that, I didn't say it was from an American series before I got an answer from Ouisch.

 

[Coolfootluke]

I am not a teacher, nor am I a relationship counselor.

In an internet forum, one has to be obsequiously, bend-over-backwardsly, ass-kissingly ("arse", OK?) polite just to avoid bloodshed. Just a heads-up. It is incredibly easy to misunderstand another poster and to be unclear oneself, to take umbrage or give offense in error. So, everybody chill. We are here to help each other. Or else.

Bhaisahab is right, even though he got the wrong decade. Don't expect some crappy TV show written by a committee of businessmen to reflect good usage or even conventional usage. And anyway, it's Hawaii, the last state to join the Union, and half of them are Japanese, anyway.

The sentence in question, "I'm going to have to ID you", is plain English, but it is unlikely. I can't imagine a service sector employee being so heavy handed. It sounds like something a policeman would say---"I'm going to have to frisk you" or "I'm going to have to ask you to put your hands on the vehicle, sir." Also, "to ID you" is unusual in any event. My two cents.

 

[ostap77]

I am not a teacher, nor am I a relationship counselor.

In an internet forum, one has to be obsequiously, bend-over-backwardsly, ass-kissingly ("arse", OK?) polite just to avoid bloodshed. Just a heads-up. It is incredibly easy to misunderstand another poster and to be unclear oneself, to take umbrage or give offense in error. So, everybody chill. We are here to help each other. Or else.

Bhaisahab is right, even though he got the wrong decade. Don't expect some crappy TV show written by a committee of businessmen to reflect good usage or even conventional usage. And anyway, it's Hawaii, the last state to join the Union, and half of them are Japanese, anyway.

The sentence in question, "I'm going to have to ID you", is plain English, but it is unlikely. I can't imagine a service sector employee being so heavy handed. It sounds like something a policeman would say---"I'm going to have to frisk you" or "I'm going to have to ask you to put your hands on the vehicle, sir." Also, "to ID you" is unusual in any event. My two cents.

So he was trying to imply that someone was an underage person? Would you use the verb "card"?

 

[Ouisch]

I didn't mean to be impolite.

With all due respect, it's not from thirty years back. It was premiered on TV in 2010. 18 episodes have been relized so far 4 to go.What Hawaii Five-0 would you be refering to, sir?
On top of that, I didn't say it was from an American series before I got an answer from Ouisch.

Well, speaking from an elderly American TV viewer's point of view, when I hear the title Hawaii Five-0 , I immediately think of the Jack Lord series that originally aired from 1968 to 1980. And even if a character on the new version of that show said "I'm going to have to ID you," that is still not standard or typical AmE usage. Perhaps the person who said that was not a native speaker, or he was speaking to folks were weren't native speakers. Maybe it was a native Hawaiin speakin Pidgin English. My point remains that in AmE, "ID" when used as a verb is traditionally used when one person is identifying another. It is very rarely used as a verb when requesting to see a person's identification (whether it be a driver's license, passport, state ID card, whatever).

If a bartender or cashier said "I'm going to have to ID you" to the average American customer, that customer would not immediately understand that he was being asked to show an identification card. "I'm going to have to ID you" would make the customer think that something was amiss and the bartender/cashier was going to confirm or report his identity to another person. (For example, if I was the customer attempting to purchase something and the cashier told me "I'm going to have to ID you," my first thought would be that for some reason he thought I was someone who had previously attempted to purchase goods with a fraudulant check or credit card and as a result he was going to detain me long enough to alert his manager or store security to my presence.) (I hope that explanation made sense. :-?)

 

[Ouisch]

So he was trying to imply that someone was an underage person? Would you use the verb "card"?

If a person asking for identification is selling liquor to someone who might possibly be underage, then yes, they might use "card" as a verb, saying "I'm sorry, but I'll have to card you before I can sell you that vodka", or something similar.