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[tufguy]

Can we use "Would have done" for future events as well?

For example "John would have become perfect in doing what he does at his office by the end of this year"?

I know we use "will have done" for future but do we also use "would/may have done" as well?

 

[Tarheel]

Do you think "would have" makes sense when talking about the future?

 

[5jj]

"John would have become perfect in doing what he does at his office by the end of this year."

That's possible - in the right context.

 

[Tarheel]

What's the context?

 

[tufguy]

What's the context?

1) I think John might have promoted by the end of this year.

2) I think John woukd have promoted by the end of this year.

 

[emsr2d2]

1) I think John might have promoted by the end of this year.
2) I think John woukd have promoted by the end of this year.

That's not context. That's two completely new sentences. You were asked to provide the context (situation) in which you want to use the sentence in post #1.

 

[Tarheel]

1) I think John might BE promoted by the end of this year.

2) I think John WOULD HAVE BEEN promoted by the end of this year.

The first sentence is now grammatical. The second one still isn't a grammatical sentence, but it seems to be what you intended.

 

[tufguy]

That's not context. That's two completely new sentences. You were asked to provide the context (situation) in which you want to use the sentence in post #1.

John has just started working for a company and his friend Jim thinks that he will probably be promoted by the end of the year so when Jim talks to Jill about John and Jill asks Jim will John get a pay raise next year then Jim replies saying
1) "I guess he would have been promoted by the end of this year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post" or
2) "I guess he might have been promoted by the end of the year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post".

 

[EngLearner]

Not a teacher.

1. If John hadn't died last month (or if he hadn't been fired), he would/might have been promoted by the end of this year.

2. If John were to work harder, he would/might be promoted by the end of this year.

Sentence #1 is a counterfactual conditional, meaning that he won't be promoted by the end of the year.

Sentence #2 is a remote future conditional, which means that it's possible for John to get promoted by the end of the year, provided that he works harder.

3. If John were to work harder, he would be promoted by next year. So, next year, he would have a higher salary and would have become perfect at his job.

In sentence #3, "would have become" is equivalent to "would be." The conditional perfect tense is not used here in a counterfactual sense but to express anteriority.

I think that "would have (been) + past participle" can be used both factually and counterfactually.

 

[Tarheel]

John has just started working for a company and his friend Jim thinks that he will probably be promoted by the end of the year

Stop there, and start a new sentence. Take a breath, and start a new sentence. Don't try to put everything in one sentence.

 

[tufguy]

Stop there, and start a new sentence. Take a breath, and start a new sentence. Don't try to put everything in one sentence.

John has just started working for a company and his friend Jim thinks that he will probably be promoted by the end of the year. Jim talks to Jill about John and Jill asks Jim will John get a pay raise next year then Jim replies saying the following.
1) "I guess he would have been promoted by the end of this year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post".
2) "I guess he might have been promoted by the end of the year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post".

 

[Tarheel]

John has just started working for a company and his friend Jim thinks that he will probably be promoted by the end of the year. Jim THEN talks to Jill about John and Jill asks Jim IF John WILL get a pay raise next year. THEN Jim replies saying the following.
1) "I guess he would have been promoted by the end of this year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post".
2) "I guess he might have been promoted by the end of the year so forget about a pay raise he probably is going to get at a higher post".

That's very unnatural. For starters, she asked a yes-or-no question. (See below.)

Jill: Do you think John will get a pay raise next year?
Jim: Yes, because he's been doing a good job, and they will want to keep him.

We call them yes-or-no questions because the answer is usually "yes" or "no" sometimes followed by an explanation.

 

[tufguy]

That's very unnatural. For starters, she asked a yes-or-no question. (See below.)

Jill: Do you think John will get a pay raise next year?
Jim: Yes, because he's been doing a good job, and they will want to keep him.

We call them yes-or-no questions because the answer is usually "yes" or "no" sometimes followed by an explanation.

How about my question? Can "would and might have been" used for future?

 

[Tarheel]

How about my question? Can "would and might have been" BE used for THE future?

Is that a hypothetical question, or do you have a sentence in mind?

 

[tufguy]

Is that a hypothetical question, or do you have a sentence in mind?

Jill: Is John gonna be promoted this year?
Joan: I afraid he would have left it by the end of 2024.

 

[tufguy]

Is that a hypothetical question, or do you have a sentence in mind?

Jill: Is John gonna be promoted next year?
Joan: I afraid he would have left it by the end of 2024 so I don't think so.

 

[Tarheel]

How about my question? Can "would and might have been" BE used for THE future?

Is that a hypothetical question, or do you have a sentence in mind?

Jill: Is John gonna be promoted this year?
Joan: I afraid he would have left it by the end of 2024.

I'm afraid the second sentence doesn't really make sense.

Jill: Is John gonna be promoted next year?
Joan: I afraid he would have left it by the end of 2024 so I don't think so.

It is unclear what the second sentence means. It is, in fact, a mystery.

 

[tufguy]

Is that a hypothetical question, or do you have a sentence in mind?
I'm afraid the second sentence doesn't really make sense.
It is unclear what the second sentence means. It is, in fact, a mystery.

He would have left the job by the end of year 2024.

 

[Tarheel]

He would have left the job by the end of year 2024.

In what context does that make sense?