Just down from a little pizzeria.

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The textbook: Wordbyilder by Guy Wellman.

The house is at the far end of the street, ... just down from a little pizzeria.

Could you help me understand what it means.


My variants:
1. Find the pizzeria, then follow the number of buildings in a descending order. And may be the opposite case: just up from a little pizzeria.
2. Just close to the pizzeria.
 
In order of position: You, the pizzeria, and then the house, which is relatively close to the pizzeria. No specific distance, but probably just a few buildings beyond.

'Down' here is a relative term - 'down' being the portion of the street in front of you, 'up' being the part behind you. However, if the street is actually on a hill, then up/down would refer to the geographical layout.
 
The textbook: Wordbyilder by Guy Wellman.

The house is at the far end of the street, ... just down from a little pizzeria.

Could you help me understand what it means.

My interpretations:

1. Find the pizzeria, then go just a little farther.

2. It's just beyond the pizzeria.
The street addresses have nothing to do with it. In this context, down and up both mean beyond.
 
In order of position: You, the pizzeria, and then the house, which is relatively close to the pizzeria. No specific distance, but probably just a few buildings beyond.

'Down' here is a relative term - 'down' being the portion of the street in front of you, 'up' being the part behind you. However, if the street is actually on a hill, then up/down would refer to the geographical layout.


Thank you. Now I have found "down" in a dictionary. It turned out to be a preposition.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/down_2

[FONT=&quot]Down = along; towards the direction in which you are facing

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And I have found "up": https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/up_2

[FONT=&quot]Up = along or further along a road or street

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According to these definitions, up = down. So, up can't be behind you, if I'm not mistaken. Could you help me understand?
 
If you were giving someone directions, it's very unlikely that the destination would be behind you. You would turn to face the direction the other person needs to travel before speaking.
With the exception of the uphill/downhill distinction, the choice of "up/down" is fairly personal. If I was on a flat street giving directions, I'd be as likely to say "It's just down the road, past that little pizzeria" as I would be to say "It's just up the road, past that little pizzeria".
 
Thank you. Now I have found "down" in a dictionary. It turned out to be a preposition.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/down_2

Down = along; towards the direction in which you are facing

And I have found "up": https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/up_2

Up = along or further along a road or street

According to these definitions, up = down. So, up can't be behind you, if I'm not mistaken. Could you help me understand?
That's what I said in post 3. In this context, up from the pizzeria and down from the pizzeria both mean beyond the pizzeria. You can also say: past the pizzeria.

I don't think of up or down as meaning behind or in front of you. I agree with Ems: On a flat street, up the street and down the street mean exactly the same thing.
 
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On a flat street, up the street and down the street mean exactly the same thing.
That may depend on local usage though. In the New York City borough of Manhattan, downtown means south. This is, I believe, where the word originated — but it means something like "commercial and business center" in other cities. I don't think a New Yorker would be likely to direct someone who needed to go south in Manhattan to go "up Fifth Avenue".
 
That may depend on local usage though. In the New York City borough of Manhattan, downtown means south. This is, I believe, where the word originated — but it means something like "commercial and business center" in other cities. I don't think a New Yorker would be likely to direct someone who needed to go south in Manhattan to go "up Fifth Avenue".
Yup. Specifics matter. When streets are numbered or there's an uptown and downtown, that can help.

Irrelevantly, in Portland, Maine, USA, "Downtown" is the highest part of the business district, which starts down at the water. So you go uphill to go downtown.

The blue part is what people who live there call Downtown:

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That may depend on local usage though. In the New York City borough of Manhattan, downtown means south. This is, I believe, where the word originated — but it means something like "commercial and business center" in other cities.

Although I believe this usage of uptown/downtown probably originated in Manhattan, it has certainly spread to places like Toronto. But here, the urbanites and suburbanites have different opinions. I consider that I live in midtown, as opposed to uptown and downtown. Those who live in the burbs, however, call all three downtown.
 
These up and down just drive me crazy.
For example, please, have a look at the attached image. The rook moves down. I wouldn't say it moves down. I would say, it moves up. Why should it be called "move down"? It moves: 1) from bottom to top. 2) from A1 to A8. 3) the rook faced two sides: along A row and column 1 (no definite direction).
 

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(Grablevskij, would you help me see the simple mate? After black Bishop takes Rook, and white checks, why can't the black King escape check?)
 
These ups and downs just drive me crazy.
For example, please (no comma) have a look at the attached image. The rook moves down. I wouldn't say it moves down. I would say (no comma) it moves up. Why should it be called "move down"? It moves: 1) from bottom to top. 2) from A1 to A8. 3) the rook faced two sides: along A row and column 1 (no definite direction).

This one is simple. From our perspective, the white rook's new position is lower on the board after it moves than it was before. Which way is something that arrives in a lower position moving?

Can you see the parallelism error in item three of the list?
 
From our perspective, the white rook's new position is lower on the board after it moves than it was before.
It looks to me as if the rook in B, the second position, has moved up.
 
It looks to me as if the rook in B, the second position, has moved up.

Whoops! Yes, I read it wrong. Perhaps chess has its own convention about which way is down the board.
 
I'm a patzer but I think so. Since it is white to move, we would normally speak from white's point of view. That justifies the use of down (sort of) (maybe).
 
I don't have a good explanation of this but I have some thoughts I'd like to share. This is what I think is going on when we select either up or down.

1) We select up/down depending on how we cognitively map the terrain. That is, if the direction is uphill, then we're very likely to say up because the map in our mind will fit very closely to the topology of the real world. In the chess board example, I think that up is far more likely too, because from our visual perspective as white, going from rank 1 to rank 8 appears to be an upward movement. From black's perspective, the very same movement is down. In reality, of course, it's neither, because the chessboard is flat on the desk. The only way I can think of to explain why someone playing as white would use down in the chess scenario is that in the cognitive map in his mind at the moment of speaking, there is a downhill movement. The topology of the battlefield has always played a key role in warfare strategy, and the idea of a 'charge' attack such as is made by the white rooks is easily framed in the mind as a fast movement downhill.

2) Another much vaguer idea I have is that the selection of up/down depends to some extent on existing knowledge. That is, we're more likely to use up when proceeding in a direction that is more familiar, and down when going in a less known direction. I believe that this is essentially the same point as that made by skrej in post #2 about up being the direction behind you and down ahead. In terms of cognitive semantics, there is a primary metaphor that [down=new], the converse of which is [up=known]. The same idea applies to text, when we talk for example about anaphor as going up (i.e. back) and cataphor as going down the text (the prefixes ana- and cata- meaning up and down respectively).
 
(Grablevskij, would you help me see the simple mate? After black Bishop takes Rook, and white checks, why can't the black King escape check?)

It's a bad scan. There are pawns at f7, g7, h7.
 
2) Another much vaguer idea I have is that the selection of up/down depends to some extent on existing knowledge. That is, we're more likely to use up when proceeding in a direction that is more familiar, and down when going in a less known direction..
I think you have something there. I think there is also some element (where the place is completely flat) of 'up' being the direction of the more important/bigger thing. So, in a cul-de sac, up the road/street is towards the junction, down towards the dead end. When a road/street has no dead end, then up is towards a bigger road or the town (centre)

In my youth, many years ago, the up-train was the train was going in the direction of the nearest city, the down-train coming from it.
 
In my youth, many years ago, the up-train was the train was going in the direction of the nearest city, the down-train coming from it.

That reminds me of one of the first Spoonerisms I learnt:

He will be leaving tonight by the town drain.
 
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