Punishable mistake

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▪ After all, he has done made a punishable mistake and there is no way without accepting this.

Can I write these instead of the sentence above?


1) After all, he has made a mistake that should be punished and this must be accepted.

2) After all, he has made a punishable mistake and there is no other way for him to act than to accept this.

3) After all, he has made a punishable mistake and there is no way to not accept this.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

1) is okay. All three of the others are unnatural and unclear in meaning.

Please note , Dukul12345, that this should have been a new thread because it is a new question. I have moved it.
 
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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

How about: He has made a mistake and should accept the punishment?

It is not the mistake that should be punished (from Sentence 1) but he who should be punished.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

Language is not logic. It's standard English to say punishable offence particularly in legal usage. Nobody needs to be told that it is the offender and not the offence that is actually punished.
 

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▪ After all, he has done made a punishable mistake and there is no way without accepting this.

Can I write these instead of the sentence above?

Well, you certainly shouldn't write the original sentence because "he has done made" is wrong.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

Language is not logic. It's standard English to say punishable offence particularly in legal usage. Nobody needs to be told that it is the offender and not the offence that is actually punished.
Tedmc was referring to line #1: After all, he has made a mistake that should be punished and this must be accepted.

I agree with Ted. We should punish the perpetrator, not the mistake.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

Language is not logic. It's standard English to say punishable offence particularly in legal usage.

But a mistake and an offence are different.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

Here's my view on this. Both a person and an act can be an argument (e.g. a direct object) of the verb punish. There's so much evidence of this that it's pretty much uncontroversial.

The fact that this is the case leads one to take a certain view of meaning. Are these two different senses of the same word? Or are they two different words?
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

But a mistake and an offence are different.

In what relevant way?

I have no problem at all with punishable mistake.

a punishable crime
a punishable act
punishable behaviour
a punishable mistake

etc.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

An offence, which is punishable by courts, does not strike me as the same as a mistake.
 

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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

I think an offence is having done something wrong in the eyes of the law, which is tantamount to a mistake.
 
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Re: It really gets me how peope are..

I think an offence is having done something wrong in the eyes of the law, which tatamount to a mistake.

Missing word and spelling mistake.
 
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