the outcome...would be akin to a coin toss

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Does "the outcome...would be akin to a coin toss" mean "the outcome...would be random/almost completely insignificant"?


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For example, the outcome of tests with a typical false-positive rate of 5% in places where the prevalence of COVID-19 is less than 5% would be akin to a coin toss; a lower prevalence would make positive tests less likely to be so. Even tests with over 99% specificity, such as some laboratory immunoassays, will not make immunity passports useful until we know whether — and for how long — the antibodies detected are neutralizing. And even then, societal and ethical implications would have to be determined.


-from Nature 13 May 2020
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41551-020-0567-0
 

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No. A coin toss is random. Something akin to one is also random. That's what the author is trying to convey.
 

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I did say "the outcome would be random." So it is a Yes rather than No.
 

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I did say "the outcome would be random." So it is a Yes rather than No.
You asked whether "akin to a coin toss" means "random/almost completely insignificant". It does mean "random". It doesn't mean "almost completely insignificant". I should have been a little clearer.
 

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You asked whether "akin to a coin toss" means "random/almost completely insignificant". It does mean "random". It doesn't mean "almost completely insignificant". I should have been a little clearer.

Statistically speaking, random = almost completely insignificant
 

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Statistically speaking, random = almost completely insignificant
I don't think that's correct. If it's random, it's completely insignificant. If it's almost so, it's somewhat significant and therefore not random.
 

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Statistically speaking, random = almost completely insignificant

I don't agree. A coin toss might be random but the result might be hugely significant for the winner/loser.
 

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I don't agree. A coin toss might be random but the result might be hugely significant for the winner/loser.

GoodTaste is right. He means 'statistically' insignificant. That basically means that the data is useless. The coin toss is just a metaphor.

And yes, GoesStation is also right in post #6—it doesn't mean 'almost', it means completely insignificant. This word akin doesn't carry the sense of 'almost'.
 

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I don't think that's correct. If it's random, it's completely insignificant. If it's almost so, it's somewhat significant and therefore not random.

Yes. random = completely insignificant. I used "almost" because then I thought of "akin to."
 
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