We "all have / have all" got to keep together.

[sitifan]

1. We have all got to keep together.
2. We all had got to keep together.
(My bold.)
Source: Ting-Chi Tang, A Guide to Teaching Junior High School English, p293.

Are the sentences below also acceptable?
3. We all have got to keep together.
4. We had all got to keep together.

 

[Tarheel]

Are you assuming that sentences one and two are used?

 

[sitifan]

Are you assuming that sentences one and two are used?

Yes. Sentences #1 and #2 are supposed to correct, aren't they?

 

[emsr2d2]

#1 is OK and I can think of a context for it.
Neither version of #2 works for me. For the present perfect, I'd say "We [all] had to keep/get together".
Does the author of this dreadful stuff realise that "keep together" and "get together" have completely different meanings?

 

[sitifan]

Does the author of this dreadful stuff realise that "keep together" and "get together" have completely different meanings?

The author, who died in 2020, was a famous linguist in Taiwan. I don't know if he knew the difference between them. What's the difference in meaning between "keep together" and "get together"?

 

[emsr2d2]

I'm surprised you don't know the difference. Have you looked them up in good dictionaries?

 

[5jj]

1. We have all got to keep together.
2. We all had got to be together.

3. We all have got to keep together.
4. We had all got to be together.

Does the author of this dreadful stuff realise that "keep together" and "get together" have completely different meanings?

There is no 'get together' in the original.

 

[emsr2d2]

There is no 'get together' in the original.

Oops! No, there's not, is there? Hmmm.
I still think there's a difference between "keep together" and "be together".

 

[sitifan]

I'm surprised you don't know the difference. Have you looked them up in good dictionaries?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/get-together
If two or more people get together, they meet each other, having arranged it before:
Shall we get together on Friday and go for a drink or something?

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/keep+together
To remain in a pair or a group with one or more other people or animals.
OK, kids, please keep together as we make our way through the museum. We don't want anyone to get lost!
The herd keeps together throughout the migration.

 

[sitifan]

#1 is OK and I can think of a context for it.
Neither version of #2 works for me. For the present perfect, I'd say "We [all] had to keep/get together".
Does the author of this dreadful stuff realise that "keep together" and "get together" have completely different meanings?

Sorry for having made typos in #2 and #4.
1. We have all got to keep together. (by Tang)
2. We all had got to keep together. (by Tang)
3. We all have got to keep together. (by me)
4. We had all got to keep together. (by me)

 

[Skrej]

#2 and #4 just don't work with the past perfect.

Is your question about the position/arrangement of the helping verb and 'all'? If so, then it's a bit flexible. Both of the following are okay.

We have all got to keep together.
We all have got to keep together.

Knowing the inferior quality of these texts you keep citing, I don't know if the author purposely meant to switch tenses between the original #1 and #2, or if it was just a careless typo.

The author was an famous infamous linguist in Taiwan.

Improved for accuracy.

 

[Tarheel]

Yes. Sentences #1 and #2 are supposed to BE correct, aren't they?

I suppose they are. Supposed to be correct, that is.

 

[Tarheel]

I guess "keep together" is OK. (I am much more used to "stay together".)

Context, of course, determines what is appropriate.

 

[sitifan]

I suppose they are. Supposed to be correct, that is.

I don't know what the quoted sentences mean.

 

[Tarheel]

I don't know what the quoted sentences mean.

You have to understand them in the context of what I was replying to.

 

[sitifan]

You have to understand them in the context of what I was replying to.

5. We will all have got to keep together. (My bold.)
Source: Ting-Chi Tang, A Guide to Teaching Junior High School English, p293.
Is #5 acceptable to native speakers?

 

[Skrej]

No.

I really think you should stop using this text. It has as much incorrect information as it does useful information.

 

[Tarheel]

5. We will all have got to keep together. (My bold.)
Source: Ting-Chi Tang, A Guide to Teaching Junior High School English, p293.
Is #5 acceptable to native speakers?

That might be the worst one yet.

I imagine that it's an adult speaking to a group of children. Perhaps: "We need to stay together (or "keep together ")".

 

[emsr2d2]

5. We will all have got to keep together. (My bold.)
Source: Ting-Chi Tang, A Guide to Teaching Junior High School English, p293.
Is #5 acceptable to native speakers?

Absolutely not. It's "We will all have to stay/keep together". "Have got to" to mean "must" isn't used with the future voice or any past tense. I don't like "keep together" much so I'm going to stick with "stay together" in my examples.

We've got to stay together. (Present)
We had to stay together. (Simple past)
We have had to stay together. (Present perfect - I can't think of a good context for this tense in a standalone sentence without a timeframe)
We will have to stay together. (Future voice)