What was demonstrated was that pied piping is possible in embedded questions but not in free relative clauses as they define the labels I have italicised.That Pied Piping is possible in embedded questions but not in free relative clauses was demonstrated by Joan Bresnan and Jane Grimshaw in 1978,
Yes. Being good linguists, they tend to define what they are talking about. That's partly what makes their demonstration so good. Unless you have good reason to doubt their definitions, we may say that their demonstrations hold true of that which the terms you have italicized signify.What was demonstrated was that pied piping is possible in embedded questions but not in free relative clauses as they define the labels I have italicised.
If "what" is a relative pronoun in sitifan's example, "what we need to know" is a free relative clause (or what you and PaulMatthews may know as a "fused relative") in that example. If "what" is a relative pronoun in sitifan's example, "what we need to know" is an embedded question (embedded interrogative) in that example.We've found out "what" we need to know.
In the above sentence, is "what" a relative pronoun or an interrogative pronoun?
It is in some schools of grammar.(Incidentally, in the fused relative construction “what we need to know” is not a clause but an NP, hence it mistakenly being taken as object of “found out”.)
Parsed as a free (or "fused") relative, "what we need to know" does contain a clause, even if it is not itself a clause, the noun phrase headed by "what" being co-referent with the gap in direct-object position following "know" in the clause "we need to know __," which clause obviously forms part of the phrase "what we need to know."(Incidentally, in the fused relative construction “what we need to know” is not a clause but an NP, hence it mistakenly being taken as object of “found out”.)
Yes. 'Traditional grammars erroneously lump together embedded questions and free relative clauses as "noun clauses."' (quoted from post #12 of the link below)I consider it relative. The meaning is "We've found out the thing that we need to know".
Is the label important to you, sitifan?
I'm aware of the syntax of fused relatives. As I said, it's an NP, not a clause.Parsed as a free (or "fused") relative, "what we need to know" does contain a clause, even if it is not itself a clause, the noun phrase headed by "what" being co-referent with the gap in direct-object position following "know" in the clause "we need to know __," which clause obviously forms part of the phrase "what we need to know."
It's based on considerable evidence, as you well know.That also is an opinion, not a fact.
That assessment of the situation works for me, as it matches my sense of "find out" followed by a wh-clause, as well as the syntactic facts I've adduced.We've found out what we need to know.
I think the idiom “find out” licenses an interrogative, rather than a fused relative.
It’s not a question of having already discovered something but of cognitively finding the answer to the question "What do we need to know?"
Perhaps find out can be separable and nonseparable as a phrasal verb, and the type of find out that we are considering is the nonseparable variety.
Consider this:
We found out his name.
That seems equivalent in meaning to We found out what his name was, or We found out the answer to the question "What is his name?"
I have mixed feelings (mostly bad) about the following variation:
? We found his name out.
Does that sentence even work? If not, I think we may conclude that there are two different types of find out, and that sitifan's find out is not the find-it-out type.
It seems to me the sentence is ambiguous, and it could be either.We've found out out "what" we need to know.
In the above sentence, is "what" a relative pronoun or an interrogative pronoun?