When can I use "will" in a temporal adverbial clause?

[sitifan]

Normally, a time clause uses the present tense even when it refers to the future:

• I'll call you when I arrive. ✓
• I'll call you when I will arrive. ✗
• Wait here until she comes. ✓
• Wait here until she will come. ✗

When can I use "will" in a temporal adverbial clause as the quotation below?​

"In reality the influence of both our secular and Christian cultures is such that few of us enter adulthood without the need for some--often drastic-- revising of our ideals before we will be in a position to find a suitable mate or make healthy decisions about marriage." (My bold.)
Source: M. Blaine Smith, Should I Get Married?, Revised Edition, pages 13-14.

 

[jutfrank]

I think the question is this: What modal meaning does 'will' bring to this sentence?

I think it's predictive, broadly speaking. It's helping to say that if we don't revise our ideals, the predicted result is that we won't be in a position to find a suitable mate.

 

[sitifan]

I suppose I will never know until I will meet my Lord in Glory, why He has laid such a burden upon me to pray for you during all this past week.
Source: Fred Malir, Joy.
Is the adverbial clause in bold grammatical?

 

[emsr2d2]

I suppose I will never know until I will meet my Lord in Glory, why He has laid such a burden upon me to pray for you during all this past week.
Source: Fred Malir, Joy.
Is the adverbial clause in bold grammatical?

It would have sounded grammatical maybe over a hundred years ago. It could also have been a line from the bible. I tried to find out more about the author but he's not even listed in Wikipedia. All I could find on Google was that he was born in 1924 and died in 1990 and wrote Christian books. That at least explains the biblical-sounding language.

 

[Annabel Lee]

I suppose I will never know until I will meet my Lord in Glory . . .

I read a lot of old things and am used to encountering this type of construction with shall, but not with will. If you comb through the King James Bible for it, you will probably find well over a hundred examples. It's in Shakespeare, too; here are a few examples I have memorized from Shakespeare's sonnets (I'm on Sonnet 51 now and still have a long way to go):

"When forty winters shall besiege thy brow​

And dig deep trenches in thy beauty’s field,​

Thy youth’s proud livery, so gazed on now,​

Will be a tattered weed of small worth held." (Sonnet 2)​

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"As fast as thou shalt wane, so fast thou grow’st​

In one of thine, from that which thou departest" (Sonnet 11)​

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"If thou survive my well-contented day​

When that churl Death my bones with dust shall cover,​

And shalt by fortune once more resurvey​

These poor rude lines of thy deceasèd lover,​

Compare them with the bett’ring of the time,​

And though they be outstripped by every pen,​

Reserve them for my love, not for their rhyme,​

Exceeded by the height of happier men." (Sonnet 32)​

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"Against that time, if ever that time come,​

When I shall see thee frown on my defects​

Whenas thy love hath cast his utmost sum,​

Called to that audit by advised respects;​

Against that time when thou shalt strangely pass​

And scarcely greet me with that sun thine eye,​

When love, converted from the thing it was,​

Shall reasons find of settled gravity;​

Against that time do I ensconce me here​

Within the knowledge of mine own desert,​

And this my hand against myself uprear​

To guard the lawful reasons on thy part." (Sonnet 49)​

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And here's an example from Romeo and Juliet (Act III, Scene II):

"Come, gentle night, come, loving, black-brow'd night,​

Give me my Romeo; and, when he shall die,​

Take him and cut him out in little stars,​

And he will make the face of heaven so fine​

That all the world will be in love with night​

And pay no worship to the garish sun."​

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The construction is also found in a number of famous hymns I know:

"Yea, when this flesh and heart shall fail​

And mortal life shall cease,​

I shall possess within the veil​

A life of joy and peace." ("Amazing Grace," by John Newton, 1779)​

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"When he shall come with trumpet sound,​

O may I then in Him be found." ("My Hope Is Based On Nothing Less," by Edward Mote, 1834)​

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"When I shall reach that happy land,​

I'll be forever blessed" ("On Jordan's Stormy Banks," Samuel Stennet, 1787)​

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"O Lord, haste the day when my faith shall be sight,​

the clouds be rolled back as a scroll . . ." ("It Is Well with My Soul," by Horatio Spafford, 1873)​

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