depended on...that were

[JEic]

a) They depended on funds that were raised from interested parties.
b) They depended on funds that had been raised from interested parties.

- In the above original sentences, It feels like (a) is wrong because "were raised" (which happened before "depended" is a simple past passive. I thought should use only past perfect since the first action "depended" is in past tense.
- If (a) is not wrong, why not?

- is (b) correct? why?
- any difference from (a)? what is the difference when using "past perfect passive" in (b)? How is it different if there is any difference?

 

[Rover_KE]

Somebody else may like to debate that.

I'd just say 'They depended on funds raised from interested parties'.

 

[Ostap]

"were raised" (which happened before "depended"

It doesn't follow from the examples alone, and was not given as context.

So, there is no "wrong/correct" here.

 

[JEic]

Somebody else may like to debate that.

I'd just say 'They depended on funds raised from interested parties'.

Not about debating, but just for understanding sake, are both (a) and (b) correct, or one of them is grammatically incorrect?

 

[JEic]

It doesn't follow from the examples alone, and was not given as context.

So, there is no "wrong/correct" her

Can you give examples of contexts that show (a) and (b) to be right or wrong? I would much appreciate it.

 

[Tarheel]

Not about debating, but just for understanding sake, are both (a) and (b) correct, or one of them is grammatically incorrect?

Two things. One, they look okay to me. Two, you need to move "is" in that last sentence.

 

[JEic]

Two things. One, they look okay to me. Two, you need to move "is" in that last sentence.

Move 'is' in that last sentence? Sorry I'm unclear what you are referring to. Can you please clarify? Thanks!

 

[emsr2d2]

Move 'is' in that last sentence? Sorry I'm unclear what you are referring to. Can you please clarify? Thanks!

See below (I've added some other corrections too). Tarheel was reminding you about the correct word order in a question.

Not about debating I'm not trying to debate the issue, but just for the sake of my understanding, sake, are both (a) and (b) correct, or is one of them is grammatically incorrect?

 

[jutfrank]

a) They depended on funds that were raised from interested parties.
b) They depended on funds that had been raised from interested parties.

- In the above original sentences,

What do you mean by 'original sentences'? Do you mean you wrote them yourself? If so, then why are you asking this question? Or do you mean that you saw sentence a) somewhere and you're wondering why the past simple was used instead of the past perfect?

 

[JEic]

What do you mean by 'original sentences'? Do you mean you wrote them yourself? If so, then why are you asking this question? Or do you mean that you saw sentence a) somewhere and you're wondering why the past simple was used instead of the past perfect?

I wrote them myself. I am learning the right and wrong use of various tenses (in this case, how is using the past passive and past perfect passive different in terms of meaning? Is there any difference in meaning at all when I use both these passive tenses?)

 

[JEic]

See below (I've added some other corrections too). Tarheel was reminding you about the correct word order in a questio

What was my error please? Where should I move the 'is" (which "is"?)?

 

[Barque]

They're both correct.

The choice depends on context--how the sentence fits into and flows from whatever was said earlier.

 

[Barque]

What was my error please? Where should I move the 'is" (which "is"?)?

See post #8.

 

[JEic]

Somebody else may like to debate that.

I'd just say 'They depended on funds raised from interested parties'.

I like the sound of the shortened sentence. Does your sentence mean that "funds raised from interested parties" is the object in noun phrase form?

Is the word "raised" a past tense or a past participle? I'm trying to understand the parts of speech in this shortened sentence.

 

[Barque]

Does your sentence mean that "funds raised from interested parties" is the object in noun phrase form?

I'm not Rover but I'd say yes.

Is the word "raised" a past tense or a past participle? I'm trying to understand the parts of speech in this shortened sentence.

Will pass on this one. I think it's the latter but am not sure. I've never felt the need to go into more detail than adjectives, nouns and verbs.

 

[Tarheel]

Move 'is' in that last sentence? Sorry I'm unclear about what you are referring to. Can you please clarify?

is one of them grammatically incorrect?

 

[JEic]

Somebody else may like to debate that.

I'd just say 'They depended on funds raised from interested parties'.

I like this shortened sentence.

Does it make sense if I say that the shortened sentence is a "higher-order" writing? As in, one that is grammatically correct but uses fewer words?

 

[emsr2d2]

Does it make sense if I say that the shortened sentence is a "higher-order" writing? As in, one that is grammatically correct but uses fewer words?

No.

 

[JEic]

No.

This means that all three sentences mean just about the same thing and and it is just a difference in writing "style"?

a) They depended on funds that were raised from interested parties.
b) They depended on funds that had been raised from interested parties.

c) They depended on funds raised from interested parties. (The shortened one)

 

[Tarheel]

Does that mean that all three sentences mean just about the same thing and it is just a difference in writing "style"?

a) They depended on funds that were raised from interested parties.
b) They depended on funds that had been raised from interested parties.

c) They depended on funds raised from interested parties. (The shortened one)

I prefer c, the shortest. Otherwise, I see no reason to prefer one over the others.