[Grammar] Tangled construction

[CSHY]

I don't think the following sentences have been well structured. Can you please give some correct and natural versions? I would rather there be as many as pissible, if only you would like to give.

1. The pronunciation of such words, in many cases, a spelling pronunciation varies by speaker and gives rise to widely varying stylistic effects.

2. [ Quotor's note: as the initial sentence of an independent segment of an article ] Standard French contrasts up to 13 oral vowels and up to 4 nasal vowels (Parisian French has 10 oral vowels and 3 nasal vowels).

Resource: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_phonology

 

[tedmc]

What do you mean by "spelling pronounciation"?

Vary with, not by.

 

[J&K Tutoring]

My best guess is we don't have to change much to start to make sense:

The pronunciation of such words and (in many cases) a spelling pronunciation, varies by speaker and gives rise to widely varying stylistic effects.

As to other "more natural" versions, that entire entry is pretty esoteric. I'm not sure there is any way to make it natural...
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[emsr2d2]

"varies by" is fine. I'm still intrigued to know what "spelling pronunciation" is.

 

[CSHY]

"varies by" is fine. I'm still ingtrigued to know what "spelling pronunication" is.

Spelling pronunciation: A pronunciation of a word that differs from the historically established one, arising on the basis of the word's spelling, as the introduction of a (t) into the pronunciation of often.---- American Heritage Dictionary, 4th edition

 

[jutfrank]

What do you mean by "spelling pronounciation"?

I'm still intrigued to know what "spelling pronunication" is.

If you actually click on the link (the term 'spelling pronunciation' is hyperlinked), you get to a page which explains exactly what it is. Here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_pronunciation

 

[jutfrank]

1) The problem with sentence 1 is all to do with the punctuation, which in its current form makes the sentence very hard to read. Here are two ways to fix it:

a) The pronunciation of such words (in many cases a spelling pronunciation) varies by speaker and gives rise to widely varying stylistic effects.

b) The pronunciation of such words, which in many cases is a spelling pronunciation, varies by speaker and gives rise to widely varying stylistic effects.

2) The second sentence is excellently written as it is, as is the rest of the article. If I had to make a minor suggestion, it would be to make the parenthetical comment into a separate sentence of its own. However, I think it's fine as it is.

 

[emsr2d2]

If you actually click on the link (the term 'spelling pronunciation' is hyperlinked), you get to this page: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelling_pronunciation

Thanks. It wasn't a working hyperlink originally. I have just fixed it in post #1 so it's clickable.

 

[jutfrank]

Thanks. It wasn't a working hyperlink originally. I have just fixed it in post #1 so it's clickable.

I meant it was hyperlinked on the actual Wiki page.

Thanks for editing post #1.

 

[Tdol]

How about varies from speaker to speaker?