Until/Since

[mawes12]

This is a follow up for the thread, because/so, because Rover_KE locked the thread and I don't know why. But can "until" have the same time order as "before" and can "since" be the same as "after"?

 

[Rover_KE]

I added a link to the thread mawes referred to above.

If you read all of it before attempting to answer this one, you may understand why I closed it, and what you may be letting yourself in for if you reply..

 

[mawes12]

If you read all of it before attempting to answer this one, you may understand why I closed it, and what you may be letting yourself in for if you reply..

Who are you talking to?

 

[bhaisahab]

He is talking to all the participating members of the forum, I imagine.

 

[Matthew Wai]

I advise the OP to give example sentences using the said time markers.

 

[mawes12]

1. I will wash the dishes until/before you come back from the store.

2. We haven't made sandwiches since/after you left.

What do you think?

He is talking to all the participating members of the forum, I imagine.

If he is, I don't know what he's talking about because I think I said nothing wrong but ask questions.

 

[bhaisahab]

"I will wash the dishes before you come back from the store" is a natural and logical sentence. "I will wash the dishes until you come back fro the store", however, is a little strange, it means that you will continually wash dishes until the moment the other person returns from the store and then stop.
"We haven't made sandwiches since you left" is OK. It means that the last time we made sandwiches was when "you" were here.
With "after" it's incorrect.

 

[mawes12]

Can you tell me why "after" is incorrect?

 

[Tdol]

I'd use the past tense, though this changes the meaning as it does not bring it up to present time:

We made/didn't make sandwiches after you left.

 

[Matthew Wai]

Can you tell me why "after" is incorrect?

Because 'since' should be used instead of 'after' when referring to a duration from the past to the present.

 

[mawes12]

I don't know how some of you still see a difference.

 

[bhaisahab]

Well, there doesn't seem to be much we can do about that. I suppose you'll just have to go on seeing things in your own unique fashion.

 

[mawes12]

I'm not saying all of you are wrong but I just don't see a lot of difference.

 

[Rover_KE]

:mrgreen:

(Self-satisfied smirk.)

 

[MikeNewYork]

Any chance of closing this thread?

 

[mawes12]

Oh, I see the difference. Is that what y'all think I should say?

 

[MikeNewYork]

You should say whatever you think. But this thread goes round and round and it is a repeat of thread that went round and round. Enough already.

 

[Matthew Wai]

I just don't see a lot of difference.

Do you mean the difference between 'until' and 'before' or 'between 'since' and 'after'?

 

[Rover_KE]

You could consider continuing this dialogue with Mawes by PM, Matthew.

The rest of us have lost interest.

 

[Barb_D]

This is how these threads feel to me.

Mawes: I think 2+2 and 2+3 are the same.
Moderator 1: Show us a sentence.
Mawes: I think 2+2/2+3 = 4 and you can use either.
Moderator 1: No, 2+2=4 and 2+3=5
Mawes: I'm not saying you're wrong, but I see them as the same.
Moderator 2: Okay, let me try. 2+2=4, but when you add 3 to 2 instead of 2 to 2, you get a different number.
Mawes: I'm not saying you're wrong, but see 2+3 and 2+2 as the same.
Moderators 1- 5: They aren't the same. They are different. You can't say 2+3 and 2+2 are interchangeable.
Mawes: Maybe I'm wrong, but they look the same
Moderators 1-5: We quit