[Grammar] when to use them or themselves?

[Ran mohd]

Hi,
I need to know how to use "them" and "themselves" like in these sentences, can someone help me choosing one and telling why?

"They are harming every living creature including them/ themselves",,, and can we say in this sentence " them themselves" all at once?
"All the bad activities human do reflect to them/ themselves", and can we say here "them themselves"?
I'd appreciate it if someone helps.
Thanks

 

[MikeNewYork]

As a general rule, we can only use a reflexive pronoun if the antecedent has already been used. In both of your sentences, that condition was fulfilled, so "themselves" works. In your second sentence, "human" should be "humans" and I would change "to" to "on". "Them themselves" does not work.

 

[Ran mohd]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

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You can't say 'them themselves', but sometimes you'll see 'they themselves'.

• 
  [*=left]
  [*=left]Meanwhile, WebM, the new codec Google is backing, is one they themselves created.
  techcrunch.com
  [*=left]They themselves are not going hungry, but live in villages where hunger is real.
  [*=left] cnn.com
  [*=left]But they themselves are as white and middle-aged as were Ronnie and Reggie Kray.
  [*=left] economist.com
  [*=left]That way, in future, they themselves will insist bank management is more prudent.
  [*=left] economist.com
  [*=left]They themselves agreed that they were under Chinese suzerainty at Simla in 1914.
  [*=left] economist.com
  [*=left]Naturally, they designed a republic in which they themselves would have a place.

• (fraze.it.com)

 

[MikeNewYork]

In every case, "themselves" could be easily omitted.