I'm gone to or I've gone to

[ostap77]

"If I'm gone to heaven, I won't be able to help you."

Would you say "I'm gone to " or "I've gone to"?

 

[bhaisahab]

"If I'm gone to heaven, I won't be able to help you."

Would you say "I'm gone to " or "I've gone to"?

"I've gone"

 

[ostap77]

"I've gone"

I've been hearing the use of "I'm gone to" a lot from Southerners.

 

[freezeframe]

I would say "If I go to heaven"

Present Perfect sounds odd with the conditional.

"If I'd gone to heaven, I wouldn't have been able to help you"
or
"If I go to heaven, I won't be able to help you"
or "If I'm going to heaven, ..."

EDIT: thank you for the correction, bhai

 

[bhaisahab]

I've been hearing the use of "I'm gone to" a lot from Southerners.

Perhaps you have, but I wouldn't say it. (I presume you mean people from the south of the USA)

 

[5jj]

I've been hearing the use of "I'm gone to" a lot from Southeners.

Stop listening to Southerners. They don't get to heaven anyway.

 

[bhaisahab]

I would say "If I go to heaven"

Present Perfect sounds odd with the conditional.

"If I had gone to heaven, I wouldn't have been able to help you" "If I've gone...I won't..." is fine in my opinion.
or
"If I go to heaven, I won't be able to help you"

Bhai.

 

[ostap77]

Perhaps you have, but I wouldn't say it. (I presume you mean people from the south of the USA)

Yes.

 

[5jj]

I don't think it is likely in "I'm gone to heaven", but I have heard younger* people on the point of departure saying "I'm gone" or "I'm ouda (out of) here". There is often an indication that they should have left earlier, or that they are leaving without any delay at all.

* bear in mind that nearly everybody is younger than I.

 

[freezeframe]

"If I had gone to heaven, I wouldn't have been able to help you" "If I've gone...I won't..." is fine in my opinion.

Can you explain please, bhai.

Cheers

 

[bhaisahab]

"If I had gone to heaven, I wouldn't have been able to help you" "If I've gone...I won't..." is fine in my opinion.

Can you explain please, bhai.

Cheers

If I had gone to heaven (in 2000 for example), I wouldn't have been able to help you (in 2001).
I didn't go to heaven in 2000, I was able to help you in 2001.
If I have gone to heaven (by 2030 for example), I won't be able to help you (in 2031).

 

[freezeframe]

If I had gone to heaven (in 2000 for example), I wouldn't have been able to help you (in 2001).
I didn't go to heaven in 2000, I was able to help you in 2001.
If I have gone to heaven (by 2030 for example), I won't be able to help you (in 2031).

As I understand present perfect, the action started in the past. :?:
Can you elaborate?

 

[bhaisahab]

As I understand present perfect, the action started in the past. :?:
Can you elaborate?

Say, for example, you are planning to get married in April 2012. You say to your friend, "Will you be my best man?" Your friend, who travels a lot for his job, might say, "I'd love to, but, if I've gone to New York, I won't be able to".

 

[freezeframe]

Say, for example, you are planning to get married in April 2012. You say to your friend, "Will you be my best man?" Your friend, who travels a lot for his job, might say, "I'd love to, but, if I've gone to New York, I won't be able to".

Not seeing it. :-(

Maybe it's a British-American thing? Can we have an answer from an American English speaker?

I could of course be simply wrong.

Thank you

 

[engee30]

As I understand present perfect, the action started in the past. :?:
Can you elaborate?

♥♦♣♠ NOT A TEACHER ♥♦♣♠
It's not always the past as such, as seen from the point of now. It could be the past in the future, as in bhaisahab's example sentence.

 

[freezeframe]

♥♦♣♠ NOT A TEACHER ♥♦♣♠
It's not always the past as such, as seen from the point of now. It could be the past in the future, as in bhaisahab's example sentence.

Wouldn't you use future perfect? :-?

 

[5jj]

Wouldn't you use future perfect? :-?

Not in an if-clause:

A: Will you go to New York next month?
B: If I go, I won't be able to be Tom's best man?

A: Will you have gone to New York by the end of the month?
B: If I have gone, I won't be able....

 

[freezeframe]

Not in an if-clause:

A: Will you go to New York next month?
B: If I go, I won't be able to be Tom's best man?

A: Will you have gone to New York by the end of the month?
B: If I have gone, I won't be able....

Thank you. This makes sense.
Learned something today! :up:

 

[5jj]

Learned something today!

I'd still wait for a speaker of AmE, if I were you. I know that many Americans use 'would' in the if-clause when BrE speakers don't. It may be that for these speakers, 'If I will have gone,,,' is acceptable.

 

[ostap77]

Not in an if-clause:

A: Will you go to New York next month?
B: If I go, I won't be able to be Tom's best man?

A: Will you have gone to New York by the end of the month?
B: If I have gone, I won't be able....

Could I say "Will you be gone by the end of the month?"? instead of "Will you have gone by the end of the month?"?