[Grammar] It is an emotion we find hard to resist or control.

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s1. It is an emotion we find hard to resist or control.
s2. It is an emotion we find it hard to resist or control. (?)
s3. We find it hard to resist or control the emotion.

I don't understand the role of 'we find' in s1.
Is it just inserted?
I think so, in that even though it is omitted, s1 makes sense.
Is s2 grammatically correct?
I often see sentences like s3, so s2 looks more natural for me.
Please let me know.
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#3 is correct and the simplest and most straightforward. #2 is incorrect. The second "it" has no place in the sentence.

#1 would work without "we find", the "we find" is not incorrect there.
 

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s1. It is an emotion we find hard to resist or control.
s2. It is an emotion we find it hard to resist or control. (?)
s3. We find it hard to resist or control the emotion.

I don't understand the role of 'we find' in s1. It means that it appears to us to be difficult to control.
Is it just inserted? No.
I think so, in that even though it is omitted, s1 makes sense. Yes, but it doesn't have the same meaning.
Is s2 grammatically correct? It's grammatical but not very natural.
I often see sentences like s3, so s2 looks more natural for me.
Please let me know.
Thanks in advance.

Bhai.
 

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... how is #2 grammatical?
How about the sixth one below?

We find this emotion hard to resist.
It is an emotion (that) we find hard to resist.

It is hard to resist this emotion.
It is an emotion (that) it is hard to resist.


We find it hard to resist this emotion.
It is an emotion (that) we find it hard to resist
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Still one too many uses of "it" for me.
 

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The first sentence: It (this) is an emotion we find hard to resist or control>

In that sentence the emotion is what we find hard to resist or control. Emotion is the true direct object of "find". We find the emotion hard to resist or control.
The additional "it" then becomes the second direct of object of find.

At least that is how it seems to me.
 

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The first sentence: It (this) is an emotion we find hard to resist or control>

In that sentence the emotion is what we find hard to resist or control. Emotion is the true direct object of "find". We find the emotion hard to resist or control.
The additional "it" then becomes the second direct of object of find.

At least that is how it seems to me.
That's why I arranged my six example sentences in pairs. Let's try again Note that the blue it is the pronoun standing in place of the noun 'emotion'. The bold it is a dummy 'it'.:

We find this emotion hard to resist.
It (this emotion) is an emotion (that) we find hard to resist.

It is hard to resist this emotion.
It (this emotion) is an emotion (that) it is hard to resist.


We find it hard to resist this emotion.
It (this emotion) is an emotion (that) we find it hard to resist
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I got your point. But I still don't like it. At least we can agree that the second "it" is unnecessary. Yes?
 

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At least we can agree that the second "it" is unnecessary. Yes?
No.

It is possible to form a sentence without the dummy it, but that sentence is a different one.

The sentence without the dummy it is roughly equivalent to: We find this emotion hard to resist.
The sentence with the dummy it is roughly equivalent to: We find it hard to resist this emotion.
 
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