Pedroski
Senior Member
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- Apr 6, 2009
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- British English
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- UK
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- China
Had to finish a game of poker first!
Philo, you seem so set on concluding an argument and winning.(QED) As if there were nothing left to say. Try to just enjoy a good debate, and relax. You will learn something! The secrets of language are so intimately tied to consciousness, that, until we understand the latter, we will never fully understand the former.
Remember: you said a PP has no head?
"A preposition, however, cannot be regarded as intrinsically any more vital to a prepositional phrase than its object noun"
That kind of says: break it up, and it is nothing, agreed??
You are aware that prepositional phrases form adverbs?? cf two (plus(add to) three)
The bus driver waited.
The bus driver waited. Where?
The bus driver waited (outside the church).
How did he wait? Where did he wait?
He waited (together with the tour guides) (outside the church).
'tour guides' is the object of 'with' not 'waited' It is definitely not a co-subject.
Adverbs take various places in sentences.
He waited patiently outside the church.
He patiently waited outside the church.
Patiently, he waited outside the church.
He (together with the tour guides) waited (outside the church).
(Together with the tour guides) he waited (outside the church).
He patiently waited outside the church.
Take a bit of the adverb, and combine it with 'and'
*He and ently waited outside the church. Not good.
What you have done is taken a bit of the adverb, and used it with 'and'. You broke it up! That was naughty! Of course, from false premises one surmises false conclusions.
Because a word in one sentence is a noun, verb, adverb, adjective, whatever, it does not follow that it needs must be the same in every sentence. Even your beloved grammar books say that. You really should learn to question your grammar books.
Philo, you seem so set on concluding an argument and winning.(QED) As if there were nothing left to say. Try to just enjoy a good debate, and relax. You will learn something! The secrets of language are so intimately tied to consciousness, that, until we understand the latter, we will never fully understand the former.
Remember: you said a PP has no head?
"A preposition, however, cannot be regarded as intrinsically any more vital to a prepositional phrase than its object noun"
That kind of says: break it up, and it is nothing, agreed??
You are aware that prepositional phrases form adverbs?? cf two (plus(add to) three)
The bus driver waited.
The bus driver waited. Where?
The bus driver waited (outside the church).
How did he wait? Where did he wait?
He waited (together with the tour guides) (outside the church).
'tour guides' is the object of 'with' not 'waited' It is definitely not a co-subject.
Adverbs take various places in sentences.
He waited patiently outside the church.
He patiently waited outside the church.
Patiently, he waited outside the church.
He (together with the tour guides) waited (outside the church).
(Together with the tour guides) he waited (outside the church).
He patiently waited outside the church.
Take a bit of the adverb, and combine it with 'and'
*He and ently waited outside the church. Not good.
What you have done is taken a bit of the adverb, and used it with 'and'. You broke it up! That was naughty! Of course, from false premises one surmises false conclusions.
Because a word in one sentence is a noun, verb, adverb, adjective, whatever, it does not follow that it needs must be the same in every sentence. Even your beloved grammar books say that. You really should learn to question your grammar books.